Can Cheika ball work for the Wallabies?

[Tip]

Two, RWC? we won't be at the pointy end of the RWC because we didn't kick enough, more likely our scrum being battered

I know which half of the field I'd rather our scrum gets battered in.

 

[Lorenzo]

Ok two points

One, the coach has already started the mantra of trust the game plan (and that plan is not about a lot of kicking)

Two, RWC? we won't be at the pointy end of the RWC because we didn't kick enough, more likely our scrum being battered

So what's the plan for moving the ball downfield when the other side stops our flat attack? Wait till we inevitably knock it on or give away a ruck penalty? I actually meant moving it downfield toward their tryline.

 

[I like to watch]

Kick it deep from the kickoff after they have kicked another penalty goal?

 

[Lorenzo]

Kick it deep from the kickoff after they have kicked another penalty goal?

And start back at square one after their kicker puts us back in our own half.

 

[Train Without a Station]

So what? If we go in with Bernard Foley the primary out-of-hand kicker, we're fucked. We're going to get pinned in our own half with no viable exit plan when the um, just hit it up I guess approach fails.

Or is the plan that Foley adds a second of hang time and 15 metres to his punts before the RWC?

"You run at em until you run over and through them. For better or worse."

I predict worse.

 

[Braveheart81]

So what? If we go in with Bernard Foley the primary out-of-hand kicker, we're fucked. We're going to get pinned in our own half with no viable exit plan when the um, just hit it up I guess approach fails.

Or is the plan that Foley adds a second of hang time and 15 metres to his punts before the RWC?

There is no doubt our exits from inside our own 30 or so metre area need to improve. It was the same for the Waratahs at the start of last season and gradually as the season progressed, that area improved substantially.

To'omua has been charged with doing a fair bit of the kicking as well.

I agree that it would be good if Foley had a bigger punt on him. I don't think it is likely he'll lose his place because Cooper can kick the ball a few more metres though.

 

[fatprop]

So what's the plan for moving the ball downfield when the other side stops our flat attack? Wait till we inevitably knock it on or give away a ruck penalty? I actually meant moving it downfield toward their tryline.

We employed Cheika, that is the way we roll

 

[Train Without a Station]

It's my belief that a Head coach should similar in all but name to a dictatorship. After all, the buck stops with them.

I disagree somewhat. Anywhere in life where you just assume you know more than anybody else by virtue of your position and that their input is not valid you will not succeed as well as you can.

What if a player had the greatest tactical idea in the history of rugby but a coach was too stubborn to listen at all?

BTW this is just purely hypothetical and not a comment based on any coaches.

 

[Tip]

I disagree somewhat. Anywhere in life where you just assume you know more than anybody else by virtue of your position and that their input is not valid you will not succeed as well as you can.

What if a player had the greatest tactical idea in the history of rugby but a coach was too stubborn to listen at all?

I didn't mean to insinuate that a coach shouldn't be a closed book in terms of players & support staffs ideas & such. The failure to listen to stakeholders generally results in the dictator being subject to a coup.

However if the coach wants to use his closed book and shaft anyone that wants to do things differently, that is his right. You can't judge a person on their results if they can't do it their way.

 

[I like to watch]

You can't judge a person on their results if they can't do it their way.

You can on an Internet forum.....

 

[fatprop]

Just think what the game plan/selected players would have been if we went the Jake ball route

 

[Tip]

You can on an Internet forum...

Touchè comrade

 

[Gagger]

1 - The World Cup is in September/October, not Jan-Feb. We have just been playing there in November and it's hardly been a slush fest.
Barring freak weather the grounds will be relatively hard and even if it rains a bit most of the stadia we're looking at are decently drained and modern
SO STOP CARRYING ON LIKE PORK CHOPS AND PANICKING

2 - The cult of QC (Quade Cooper) has evolved into him having some fantastic kicking game and booming boot that doesn't exist. We used to have this conversation when he was Wallaby 10 before. He got better, but isn't great.

3 - The Foley death riding is pathetic. For a useless 10 with no skills he was a solid part of a team who broke S15 records in both attack and defence. He had a hand in all three of the Wallabies tries on Saturday, including scoring one, and was similar versus France.

4 - You know what, 3 and 4 are largely irrelevant because, and I can only say this for the 6th time before you ignore it again TWAS -

IT'S ABOUT THE GAMEPLAN AND WHO CAN PLAY IT, NOT WHOSE SIGNED POSTER YOU HAVE ON YOUR WALL

 

[Pfitzy]

Jeez is it that time of the month already?

 

[cyclopath]

Anywhere in life where you just assume you know more than anybody else by virtue of your position and that their input is not valid you will not succeed as well as you can.

This kind of thinking might break the internet. This is forum meat and potatoes!

Apologise for being slightly off topic, but it was too good to let go.

I'll go away again now.

 

[Braveheart81]

I had assumed that TWAS got that one off a fortune cookie.

 

[Brendan Hume]

I think the toughest thing about whatever game plan the Wallabies want to play - you need the some world class players to be able to implement it. The latest international season has plumbed the depths of Australia's talent pool in a few positions (notably the back row, and hooker), and shown that we don't have the confidence in enough of our back up players to implement a winning game plan consistently against the best teams.
Cheika and McKenzie are similar in their coaching philosophy - one is a bit more pragmatic, one a bit more emotional. Their stated aims and goals, however are similar and both encountered the same problem.
Player depth is the only thing that will enable any coach to consistently sit in the top two in the world. You might strike a good streak with some good players (possibly Ireland now, Wales over the past few years) and get into the top four or five but to challenge the best over a long period you need quality to cover for form, injuries and fatigue.
The stark challenge the rugby hierarchy in Australia faces is that a tour to Europe doesn't get the chance to test talent like the European teams can do on their end of season trips. The Australian sporting public demands success, and Rugby is at the bottom rung in terms of latitude from that public to get its shit together.
Realistically, this tour should have allowed some of our better players (Hooper, Slipper, Kepu, Foley, Folau, Phipps, Simmons) more opportunity to rest following big super and international seasons, with new talent being brought in. The drop off in that talent pool though is so steep, our coaches haven't had the courage to do this.
I think Cooper and Genia can potentially be our RWC halves, but as both are coming back from injury, International's aren't the place to regain their confidence and I think Cheika is doing the right think by bringing them off the bench.
Without the depth, hope of the success of any game plan is simply wishful thinking until an injury or form crisis hits.

 

[Braveheart81]

I think the death riding bit only kicked in on about your 15th post on the topic.

 

[Brumby Runner]

As a brumbies supporter, whos definitely seen more of To'omua and lealiifano than me, how would moving lealiifano to 10 and To'omua to 12 work for the brumbies? i really liked lealiifano at 10 during 2012, and that gives the brumbies the best centre combo in Australia. i think it should be tried.

They are both very versatile though quite different types of players. I was also very impressed with CL at 10 in 2012, especially after we had had such a poor performer at 10 the year before. But Bernie Larkham has been adamant in the past that To'omua is his 10 and Christian is the 12 amd after seeing Christian cut it up at 12 in a couple of recent tests, I have come around to his way of thinking. To'omua at 10 and Lealiifano at 12 probably works best.

 

[Brumby Runner]

you left out the ACT - perhaps deliberately, after all it is a conspiracy theory

ACT forms part of NSW - just look at the Tahs' map of their catchment area.