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Brumbies V Force Round 1 - 2012R01

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Moono75

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I hope the Force have found themselves a gun recruit in Nalaga. I can't talk him up anymore, we'll find out in 2 more days. No matter what the Brumbies throw at Pocock I'm sure he will rise to the challenge. He won't want to be seen to be dominated by anyone and he is too driven and prepares himself well whoever the opponent is.
 

SuperGrover

Darby Loudon (17)
Are the Brumbies seriously not going to play a specialist openside? Against Pocock and Hodgson? Is Jake crazy? It's like playing a prop at hooker or a hooker at tighthead. You just don't do it.

Yep. Couldn't agree more. We all saw the debacle that was trying to play Smit as a prop, however, word is the Waratahs are now trying to train Ulugia as a back up tight head.

IMHO Albert Anae as a hooker I like, but I digress.
 

spectator

Bob Davidson (42)
Are the Brumbies seriously not going to play a specialist openside? Against Pocock and Hodgson? Is Jake crazy? It's like playing a prop at hooker or a hooker at tighthead. You just don't do it.
Welcome back BH, or have I just not noticed your return to the forum?

Maybe White is resigned to the fact that Pocock is going to rule that area of play so he wants a big backrow to bash runners coming of subsequent plays? Why waste a player coming second in the contest to Pocock all night?

Just saying...
 

mudskipper

Colin Windon (37)
Are the Brumbies seriously not going to play a specialist openside? Against Pocock and Hodgson? Is Jake crazy? It's like playing a prop at hooker or a hooker at tighthead. You just don't do it.


I think you'll find Jake White will use Vaea as heavy artillery to soften up the opposition pack and bring young Hooper on to clean up once they're out of puff... Additionally I believe Jake White sees most of the forwards as scavengers not just 7s.... and has skilled them up to approach their game likewise...

Give Vaea a season or 2 and he will be an excellent world class player. He doesn’t physically hesitate in anyway… goes hard all game…

Super rugby is too fast for one man to make most breakdowns...
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
I think you'll find Jake White will use Vaea as heavy artillery to soften up the opposition pack and bring young Hooper on to clean up once they're out of puff... Additionally I believe Jake White sees most of the forwards as scavengers not just 7s.... and has skilled them up to approach their game likewise...

Give Vaea a season or 2 and he will be an excellent world class player. He doesn’t physically hesitate in anyway… goes hard all game…

Super rugby is too fast for one man to make most breakdowns...
David Pocock doesn't run out of puff. Puff can't even keep up with David Pocock.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Welcome back BH, or have I just not noticed your return to the forum?

Maybe White is resigned to the fact that Pocock is going to rule that area of play so he wants a big backrow to bash runners coming of subsequent plays? Why waste a player coming second in the contest to Pocock all night?

Just saying...


Just returned and thanks for the welcome back ;-)


It's a fair point, as is Mudskipper's about softening up, but The Cock is no ordinary openside. I've seen other teams (i.e. the Boks) try and mug him before and failed. The kiddie is made of concrete.
 

Brumby Jack

Steve Williams (59)
It must be remembered that the referee for this game is our good mate Bryce Lawrence. And we all know what happened last time he reffed a game involving Pocock.
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
mudskipper, there's just so much wrong with your post above.

Having a massive pack to soften up the opposition is a failed tactic - we saw this last year with the Reds. McKenzie even admitted his mistake afterwards and accepted the blame. The problem is, the Brumbies have effectively replaced Hooper with Kimlin (in my book, anyway). You have to compare the difference each would make on the rucks. Kimlin will get to a lot less rucks than Hooper will, and he won't have the same impact at the ones he gets to other than an occasional big cleanout. You need guys like Hooper there, hands on the opposition's ball to disrupt it.

And pests like Hooper at the breakdown are more instintual. You can't teak a pack of forwards to be "scavengers" or "pests" in one off season, or there'd be a Pocock or Brussuow in every team, or many McCaws who just ruin opposition ball all day and rarely get pinged. You can work on the breakdown in training, yes, and improve your accuracy and cleanouts, yes, but creating a pack of breakdown pests? No.

Every game of rugby is too fast or hard for one man to make all the breakdown, even Subbies. Having played plenty of flanker, I can attest to that. I can also attest the difference between having played with a guy who runs half marathons at 7 that will make close to every second breakdown and just be a serial pest, and having him replaced with a bigger tougher guy who was an enforcer but did a fraction of the work. It makes a huge difference.

As PB says, it's a traditional White tactic, playing a massive backrow with no fetcher. I'll say this: it's outdated. You can only win with it if your 6 and 7 are fantastic and can play a mixed role, like, say, a Burger or a bunch of the French flankers (who are close to what Lee calls "notters"). The Boks had fantastic and mobile players like Smit and Burger in the White era, who would be more effective than a lock at 6 (Kimlon) and number 8 at 7 (Vaea).

edit: I wrote this before the reading the Brumbies 2012 thread which basically a heap of people said the same thing. Damn punch beaters!
 

mudskipper

Colin Windon (37)
Yep he is a fine Player but he's not infallible... he's not made of paper nor stone but flesh like every other player...

Pocock is no George Smith YET
 

mudskipper

Colin Windon (37)
David Pocock doesn't run out of puff. Puff can't even keep up with David Pocock.

Pocock may not run out of puff but the others will... remember he's captain now he needs to talk and think about teh wider game not just his own play...
 

Brumby Jack

Steve Williams (59)
Brumbies

1. Ben Alexander
2. Stephen Moore
3. Dan Palmer
4. Leon Power
5. Sam Carter
6. Peter Kimlin
7. Ita Vaea
8. Ben Mowen (c)
9. Nic White
10. Matt To'omua
11. Jesse Mogg
12. Christian Lealiifano
13. Andrew Smith
14. Henry Speight
15. Robbie Coleman

16. Anthony Hegarty
17. Ruaidhri Murphy
18. Scott Fardy
19. Michael Hooper
20. Ian Prior
21. Zack Holmes
22. Joseph Tomane
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Brumbies

1. Ben Alexander
2. Stephen Moore
3. Dan Palmer
4. Leon Power
5. Sam Carter
6. Peter Kimlin
7. Ita Vaea
8. Ben Mowen (c)
9. Nic White
10. Matt To'omua
11. Jesse Mogg
12. Christian Lealiifano
13. Andrew Smith
14. Henry Speight
15. Robbie Coleman

16. Anthony Hegarty
17. Ruaidhri Murphy
18. Scott Fardy
19. Michael Hooper
20. Ian Prior
21. Zack Holmes
22. Joseph Tomane

As expected I guess...

Looking forward to see how that backrow plays, and at least if it doesn't work out we can bring on Hooper.

Beginning of the end for Ben Hand?

I'm still curious about how do the rules of the EPS apply with Mogg in the starting XV and Fardy on the bench?

It's a very tall Brumbies' pack which is going to make lineouts interesting...
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
Staff member
That Brumbies side is solid but I can't help wondering where the gamebreaker is. Where is the guy that will make the inspirational plays, score the individual tries, score 60 fantasy points in a game etc.

To'omua? Lilo? Coleman? Speight? Vaea? All promise a lot but didn't quite get there last year. Looking forward to seeing them step it up in 2012.

Because frankly when I look at that side (the backline in particular) I think 'too many indians, not enough chiefs'. McCabe coming back will help a lot.

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