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Brumbies head coach 2012

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mudskipper

Colin Windon (37)
Why have more years of no finals so someone can learn on the job?

hey realistically the brumbies now are seriously rebuilding. Chiz and Rocky will likely move on, Holies may not be able to play another season. I don't think so called experienced coaches have proven to be any better. Larkham is not learning rugby it is all he knows and he is a proven master of the game. I don't see more risk than reward with him starting next season as head coach. Getting an aging coach is the wrong choice.

AS for turning the Brumbies around. They have only played a couple of matches since and had a bye. One match was to the Crusaders who are the hotest team on the planet now and the Brumbies held their scrum but couldn't contain their backline. Only just lost to a near full strength Tahs with numerous injured players out, they'll do better as the season goes on.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
I think the rest of this season will be an interesting test of Stephen and the rest of the Brumbies coaching staff. If they bomb, you'd have to think that their chances of running the show next year would be pretty remote. Well, in any kind of sane world they would be anyway.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
One of the problems with the Brumbies is that there has been too much inbreeding. This emerged at the start of the franchise when it was us against the world (well, against NSW and Qld) in a contest for resources and respect. It was almost a Boer laager mentality with the wagons circled against the threats and motives of outsiders.


The players, inside the circle, were empowered to an unprecedented extent but it worked well given the astuteness and insight of Macqueen to directly it properly, and the rat cunning of his successor, Jones. They became the best Super team in Oz by some margin, but in recent years the old energising Brumbies precepts have become unproductive and even counter-productive.


Andy Friend was supposed to be a new broom but it didn't work out that way. If they can acquire Jake White they will get a guy who will get his way as he had to do in adversity in South Africa. Sure he hasn't coached since the 2007 RWC, but since his team won it he will bring a gravitas that will counter any second guessing or so-called player power, beyond that which is normal.


I'm guessing that he will pay particular attention to young players at any level in the Brumbies stable; nobody who has read his book would think otherwise.

I don't think you can overlook a quality candidate like Gaffney though....
Gaff has been around the traps: he's had the main job a few times and most recently at Saracens before Eddie Jones took over, but his main point of difference is his experience as a backs coach. I've heard talk that his ideas of back play are still modern and everybody seems to regard him well in that area. He was the Ireland backs coach in the recent 6N tournament and they didn't shine until the last game, though to be fair: the forwards weren't that great until that game either.


But he's 65 now, or close to it, and having passed that score myself I would be looking for a younger man. If anything, I would use him as a consultant to all the Oz franchises and their academies and the Under 20 teams. A few chats to mentor Bernie Larkham would be useful also.


If an Aussie has to have the pole position then I would go with Steve Meehan of Bath who is highly regarded despite being let go. I reckon the only reason this happened was because Bath are having hard times and there were paying both Steve and guru Sir Ian Mac, and after asking the great man, he consented to be head coach next year.


Cheika is in his first year of being coach at the nutty silver chalice club Stade Français, where his main job is to get all the deranged structures right and to pop downers into the mouths of his princesses before they run onto the park. Mind you: they won't be qualifying for the Top14 finals this year after their loss to Montpellier on the weekend; so he could get the sack and be available.
 

The Mayor of Perth

Ted Fahey (11)
I'm sure Andrew Fagan flew to South Africa as part of the smoke screen...

With smokescreen trips to SA, sacking a coach, having more assistant coaches than can be fitted on a programme, paying Gits and having all of 13000 turn up for matches...where does all the money come from?
 
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I'm a big fan of Steve Larkham. Would be great to see him stay involved in the game, and if he's half the coach he was a player we can't go wrong
 
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tranquility

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It would be silly move, Larkam may be a great coach in 5 years but right now the Brumbies need a measured and experienced coach with runs on the board. Jake would be a pretty good fit in my eyes, although I wouldn't mind Allan either.

Dumper McGahan would bring some humility back to the players. When he was coaching at Churchie, players would throw up in 5th and 6th period because they were so nervous about training under him. He makes players sit out if they continually make mistakes. Chieka would also be a great fit.

What is Todd Louden doing? surely he must come into the reckoning..
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I wouldn't mind anyone from the names tranquility just mentioned...

Hopefully the Brumbies can appoint someone of that calibre ASAP...

The sooner they lock in a top line coach the easier it will be to retain players and make good signings for next year...

The Brumbies will be in desperate need for a couple of lock/backrowers... getting Battye back will be a good start...
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
An issue I see with the brumbies is that really when you look at it they have only ever built the one team, sure players have changed but the core group that was there at the start was there long enough to stifle the next group coming through.

With teams like the tahs and the reds they have been around long enough to have rebuilt a few times before, notthst either do it perfectly or without a drop in standards, but people at the club and supporting it have been through it and recognize it. I don't think the brumbies do. Almost every sporting team in the world struggles when it comes time for the core group of successful players to leave you only have to look at the Australian cricket team to realize it causes large questions to be asked.

The only thing they can do is give a coach absolute power, I believe that was the purpose of Robbie deans appointment and I hope the brumbies do the same as otherwise I fear them turning more Canberra raiders than superpower
 

BrumbiesPolynesian

Fred Wood (13)
I wouldn't mind anyone from the names tranquility just mentioned...

Hopefully the Brumbies can appoint someone of that calibre ASAP...

The sooner they lock in a top line coach the easier it will be to retain players and make good signings for next year...

The Brumbies will be in desperate need for a couple of lock/backrowers... getting Battye back will be a good start...

Get the Lam brothers back too would be a good way forward too...and would be good to build around them, and also Faiagaa and maybe recruit an experienced Loose Forward too...maybe from NZ or abroad....cant rule out that possibility.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Colby Fainga'a is expected to re-sign soon...

I wouldn't expect any of the Lam brothers back...

Salvi and Hooper are also signed on for next year, and the Brumbies have also added Vaea and Auelua...

Hoiles is still contracted, but he has a get out clause that I would assume he'll use... and probably should...

Elsom hasn't made up his mind yet but I doubt he'll stick around...

Anyways, the Brumbies can't fit in anymore opensides flankers/no 8s...

What they need is another loosehead, and a couple of lock/blindsides...
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
tranquility

McGahan - T78 could remark on his tenure at Munster better than I could but I think he is still highly regarded there going by off hand comments of the commentators and of Matt Williams and Neil Francis of the Setanta rugby show "The Breakdown." This is despite the Red Tide not qualifying for the Heineken Cup for the first time in 13 years, IIRR. It would be hard to step away from that, but you never know for sure.

There has been no talk of his being shown the door as has happened to Laurie Fisher, their forwards coach.

Todd Louden would be an excellent candidate, indeed he should be the Tahs coach at the minute. He was the assistant to Link in his last year here but despised all the innuendo and back biting surrounding Link's likely demise and announced he was going to Japan early in the piece.

He's now having a second stint at Sydney Uni after being highly regarded at teams like Randwick. Ricoh and the Bulls. The only negative is that he hasn't coached at this level yet. He has to start somewhere though and he's Canberra born and bred.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Ignore Willams and Francis, who can best be described as a pair of egos in search of a brain to inhabit.

McGahan isn't highly regarded. The particular style we've developed under him - endless one-out runners, lateral slinging and hoping, and a complete aversion to mauling - has been christened "McGahanball" in tribute to its creator. Between himself and Gandalf the Gobshite - the alschemical genius who turned a golden pack into base metal - they decided a scrum coach was unnecessary for two years. He has overseen the destruction of our game, and it's been coming down the tracks for a while; if Axel can rescue us and get us back mauling (where we still make yards and score for fun), I'd be delighted. Bluntly, if we knew we had a better coach coming (save us Daddy SEamus, save us!), we'd shed no tears if he left.

The one thing I will say is that the man is unquestionably a truly superb defence coach.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Ignore Willams and Francis, who can best be described as a pair of egos in search of a brain to inhabit.

McGahan isn't highly regarded. The particular style we've developed under him - endless one-out runners, lateral slinging and hoping, and a complete aversion to mauling - has been christened "McGahanball" in tribute to its creator. Between himself and Gandalf the Gobshite - the alschemical genius who turned a golden pack into base metal - they decided a scrum coach was unnecessary for two years. He has overseen the destruction of our game, and it's been coming down the tracks for a while; if Axel can rescue us and get us back mauling (where we still make yards and score for fun), I'd be delighted. Bluntly, if we knew we had a better coach coming (save us Daddy SEamus, save us!), we'd shed no tears if he left.

The one thing I will say is that the man is unquestionably a truly superb defence coach.

Sounds like he'd fit in with the current Brumbies...
 

mudskipper

Colin Windon (37)
the current Northern hemisphere coaches be it Aussie or other worry me joining the Super rugby comp. It would take them a whiel to adjust. Jake White hasn't coached in years and the game has moved on. I'd back a younger coach with Super rugby and international experience.
 

louie

Desmond Connor (43)
Jack white won a world cup. Only an idot would think someone with just playing experience would be better. Players need time to become Coaches. Something the brumbies don't have much off.
 
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