British & Irish Lions tour of New Zealand (2017)

[gel]

Great effort by the remains 14 ABs to almost get up.

Not my favourite type of match to watch, as I thought quite a bit of the Lions play was quite cynical (I fucking hate that crap), but was certainly exciting from a scoreline perspective - so that made up for it.

SBW - sickening act. Despicable.

C'mon all blacks - bounce back and get back on that winning horse next week

 

[Brumby Runner]

Well if you thought he was milking it Gagger, you got me beat, he was hit in the head with a shoulder. What did he do to milk it?

I suspect GAGR was referring to the late hit after Barrett had kicked downfield. The incident you are referring to, imo was definitely a YC. Diving on a player on the ground with what is judged to be a shoulder to the head is just not on and should be a binning offence all day long.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I really thought the ABs adopted an unfamiliar and in the end an unsuccessful game plan based on the weather conditions. Even before SBW wenbt off, and then for just about the rest of the game, they elected to kick the ball away on first phase most of the time. Very uncharacteristic of the ABs, and perhaps showed a lack of confidence in their handling abilities in those conditions. While the BILs also countered with the same sort of tactics, that type of game is the bread and butter and they handled it much better than the ABs. Hope for a dry track next week, and it will be a different type of game.

 

[teach]

That doesn't make sense. He had his arms wrapped around Barrett, so by very definition that's not a shoulder charge. He also did get carded, that being whole the point of me asking the question.

Not sure what tackle you are looking at. He has his left arm around Barrett, but has his right arm tucked in at his side, and it is his right shoulder that is leading and hits him in the jaw. For consistency, a red would have been justified. At least he got a yellow. At least that's what some of the UK press are saying. I'm not bothered either way. SBW lost it for us, not Vunipola getting yellow instead of red.

Still looking forward to next week. 160 odd minutes of the series and the Lions have only lead for about 2 minutes of those. Confident 15 ABs can beat them next weekend. Lord knows the week after an AB loss can be a bit tough for whoever plays them next.

 

[Dan54]

I suspect GAGR was referring to the late hit after Barrett had kicked downfield. The incident you are referring to, imo was definitely a YC. Diving on a player on the ground with what is judged to be a shoulder to the head is just not on and should be a binning offence all day long.

Shit the late hit was even less of a milk, geez he got hit with a shoulder in the chest, I thought it nothing to over the top and penalty certainly covered it, but no way was that a dive. Will be interested to see if a Wallaby is in same situation during tests this year whether he will be diving

 

[Twoilms]

Not sure what tackle you are looking at. He has his left arm around Barrett, but has his right arm tucked in at his side, and it is his right shoulder that is leading and hits him in the jaw. For consistency, a red would have been justified. At least he got a yellow. At least that's what some of the UK press are saying. I'm not bothered either way. SBW lost it for us, not Vunipola getting yellow instead of red.

Still looking forward to next week. 160 odd minutes of the series and the Lions have only lead for about 2 minutes of those. Confident 15 ABs can beat them next weekend. Lord knows the week after an AB loss can be a bit tough for whoever plays them next.

'for consistency'. In no universe were those two offenses on the same level. It was dirty and he got appropriately carded. SBW's tackle was all kinds of stupid and dangerous on a level very rarely seen these days.

 

[RedsHappy]

Noting the Lions are starting to get their act together in the ABs' 22 when they make good breaks and build good 5/7 point opportunities there.

All tour they have botched an extraordinary number of those to their considerable cost, often through poor short passing at either the passer's or receiver's end.

If they can continue this solidity in closing the detail and, crucially, keep their penalty count in control for once whilst also sustaining their excellence in aggressive defence, they will be very competitive vs the ABs next week.

They are a credible chance to win the series and, for the good of the code (and my own viewing pleasure), I hope they do.

 

[Akula]

Disappointing to lose but we were always going to be up against it after $BW got sent off. Still think we should not have lost from 18-9 up though.

 

[RedsHappy]

What if we compromise by saying a Nannup Tiger.

http://members.westnet.com.au/nannuptc/tiger.html

Why not, I'm fine with that.

The Tasmania RU has already sent me a not very flattering 'Request for Clarification of an Incorrect Analogy'.

 

[Teh Other Dave]

Disappointing to lose but we were always going to be up against it after $BW got sent off. Still think we should not have lost from 18-9 up though.

Unfortunately not surprising that the game was lost in the last ten minutes, especially given that the piggies had to cover the extra man. Still think the 14 players left on the paddock did an outstanding job.

 

[I like to watch]

Noting the Lions are starting to get their act together in the ABs' 22 when they make good breaks and build good 5/7 point opportunities there.

All tour they have botched an extraordinary number of those to their considerable cost, often through poor short passing at either the passer's or receiver's end.

If they can continue this solidity in closing the detail and, crucially, keep their penalty count in control for once whilst also sustaining their excellence in aggressive defence, they will be very competitive vs the ABs next week.

They are a credible chance to win the series and, for the good of the code (and my own viewing pleasure), I hope they do.

I think their improvement was a direct result of playing a team one man down.
I believe with a full team,the AB's defence would have put more pressure on the Lions.
As the AB's aren't scheduled for a red card for another 50 years, they'll win next week by 20+

 

[RedsHappy]

Unfortunately not surprising that the game was lost in the last ten minutes, especially given that the piggies had to cover the extra man. Still think the 14 players left on the paddock did an outstanding job.

Just for balance: the BIL did an outstanding job of conceding a near-absurd number of kickable penalties in 2H. Most were unforced. This alone nearly lost them the match.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Sean O'Brien cited for a swinging arm on Waisake Naholo & will front the judiciary at 8pm NZ time:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11884888

 

[RedsHappy]

I think their improvement was a direct result of playing a team one man down.
I believe with a full team,the AB's defence would have put more pressure on the Lions.
As the AB's aren't scheduled for a red card for another 50 years, they'll win next week by 20+

I beg to differ somewhat, but, whatever.

What is a fact though is that the first try of the match - and it was a BIL beauty - was in minute 60 when the teams were 14 men each. The ABs scored no tries in that period, not even close.

So IMO the theory that the BIL won solely due to a player number mismatch for a long period has some debatable edges to it.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Shit the late hit was even less of a milk, geez he got hit with a shoulder in the chest, I thought it nothing to over the top and penalty certainly covered it, but no way was that a dive. Will be interested to see if a Wallaby is in same situation during tests this year whether he will be diving

I don't think Barrett took a dive on the late hit, but I do think he then tried best he could to milk it. Agreed, a penalty was appropriate, but should also have been one to the Lions a bit earlier for a similar hit.

The later offence Barrett was attempting to get out of the ruck/tackle area and was still on the ground when Vunipola dived on him shoulder first. YC every time.

I am at a loss why you would bring the Wallabies into the debate. They weren't in the game (and probably won't be in the Rc and Bledisloe as well, but in a different meaning). But if you're looking for examples recently of players trying to milk penalties for late hits et al, then look no further than TJ Perenara - a serial offender this year.

 

[Twoilms]

TJ Perenara is quickly becoming the least likeable rugby player around.

 

[I like to watch]

I beg to differ somewhat, but, whatever.

What is a fact though is that the first try of the match - and it was a BIL beauty - was in minute 60 when the teams were 14 men each. The ABs scored no tries in that period, not even close.

So IMO the theory that the BIL won solely due to a player number mismatch for a long period has some debatable edges to it.

That's the beauty of sport, we can each take a different view of the same event.
I hope I'm in the minority, then I'll get better odds on next weeks game

 

[Gnostic]

TJ Perenara is quickly becoming the least likeable rugby player around.

That's funny.

 

[wamberal]

Whatever, whatever, it was a great result for us armchairists.



Next week's game will be an absolute bellringer, and I might even support the Loins. Just for the craic.

 

[Gnostic]

Funny on other forums and the ABs themselves defending SBW as not a dirty player and it was not a card (the second not from the ABs).

The fact is the act was clearly premeditated as he lined up Watson, cocked the arm and clenched the fist. The act was dangerous and foul play. Fact #2 is its far from his first offence for this. Hence the conclusion is he is either just a brain dead F%$#wit or a dirty player (or both).

Vunipola's "cleanout" generous to even refer to it as that was obviously the square up for the Barret dive and Oscar performance where he, Vunipola, was penalised for brushing past Barrett in the attempt, yet no penalty for the actual late tackle on Farrell. Where's Owens "this is not soccer" when you need it. Just stupid from Vunipola and rightfully carded, and could have been red, but still not in the same ball park as SBW's cheap shot.

One area I have want to see attended to in refereeing all year and last year for that matter is actually getting worse, the offside line appears not to exist in any consistent manner. The Lions were absolutely woeful in that aspect last night, but the ABs tactics of entering the rucks from the sides is almost as bad.