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Bledisloe IV 2010 Hong Kong

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Tordah

Dave Cowper (27)
[video=youtube;NXz-km7G-fc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXz-km7G-fc&feature=player_embedded[/video]

That weird Franks tackle and the Kaino fending off pretty much sums up Dick Brown's 2010.
@Mainlander: I've not seen many Hawke's Bay games this year, so I don't know about Elliot, but Fingers doesn't make a great impression to me, flopping around and bumping off tackles.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Will the commercial masters allow Henry et al to not name SBW?

Even with the prospect of him off the bench for 10 minutes, I reckon he will increase gate takings and TV audiences.

He can't do too much damage with a cameo appearance in the game can he?

What are the profit sharing arrangements for the combatant nations and Hosts?
 

Thin Thighs

Ted Fahey (11)
If the New Zealand Rugby team relax a little, then we are in with a chance to surprise.

This presupposes Carter is either not playing or is subbed off very early to protect his recouperation. They have always looked rudderless without their backline general.

I think that while in nearly all of the one on one contests the New Zealand Rugby Team players are superior to their opposite numbers, the broken play go forward and unpredictability from Mitchell, Beale, Turner, and Cooper may be the difference.

Would love to see $BW in the test to see how he is progressing at test level. I think the New Zealand Rugby Team would give him a run off the bench. They have nothing to lose apart from the game.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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KURTLEY BEALE is expected to appear in his customary five-eighth position during the Wallabies' end-of-season tour, while Rod Davies is being given every chance to convince the Australian selectors he should take over a Test wing spot.

When the Wallabies assembled at Erskineville Oval yesterday for their final training camp before leaving for Hong Kong on Saturday for their five-Test northern hemisphere tour, the squad soon broke into two groups. The first group resembled the anticipated line-up to play the All Blacks at Hong Kong Stadium on October 30, with the second group expected to be used in the two midweek tour games against Leicester on November 9 and Munster the following week in Limerick.

The only omission was Matt Giteau, who missed the session because of the effects of a sore tooth. Berrick Barnes took over at inside-centre in the main line-up, outside the Test five-eighth Quade Cooper. The most interesting development was the chief playmaker for the back-up team. Beale, whom the Wallabies have primarily used on the wing or at fullback, spent the whole session at five-eighth with what was basically the second XV contingent. While the training session yesterday indicated that the Wallabies selectors are interested in using Beale as a playmaker at some time during the tour, Beale's Test fullback position is not under threat. It is highly unlikely the selectors would discard him from that spot after his match-winning penalty goal in Bloemfontein last month and his strong performance in the one-point loss to the All Blacks the following week.

Davies, one of seven uncapped players in the touring squad, also spent a great deal of time training with the core of the Test team. Wallabies coach Robbie Deans has been wanting to use Davies's pace for some time, but has been thwarted until now due to the Queenslander's lengthy run with injuries. The Wallabies are unlikely to make many changes for the rematch with New Zealand, with the only alteration to the pack expected to be the return of Ben Alexander at tight-head prop for Salesi Ma'afu. The back line will also be largely untouched.

The training was also a get-to-know-you exercise for new halfback, Nick Phipps, who was selected from left field after helping the Australian Sevens team win a silver medal at the Commonwealth Games in Delhi. On arrival in camp, Phipps, who will make his Super rugby debut next season with Melbourne, had to introduce himself to a number of his Wallabies teammates.

''The training was definitely a step up from what I'm used to,'' Phipps said at the end of the session. ''I was pretty nervous on the bus coming out here. But it was exciting when the guys started to help me out, and I relaxed into it. And when surrounded by some of the best players in Australia, I really started to enjoy it.''

Australian Sevens captain Pat McCutcheon's Wallabies selection has prompted a dramatic change of plans. He had intended to have a short holiday, after returning from Delhi, before helping out on his family's farm, near Narromine.

''I've had three days at home, regrouped, washed my clothes, packed another bag and am now on the travels again,'' McCutcheon said.

At least McCutcheon knew the bulk of the faces, as he had trained with the Wallabies before, while he and No.8 Ben McCalman go way back.

The pair began playing together in the Macquarie Emus under 10s, having been, as McCutcheon explained, bush neighbours ''by a couple of hundred kilometres''.
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
Do you think sore tooth could keep Gits out for the whole EOYT? Anyone know his dentist?
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
No mention of JOC (James O'Connor); maybe he was playing outside KB (Kurtley Beale) in the 'second XV'...
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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Hate to break up your etymological discussion, but I just had a wild urge to talk about rugby! Funny that.

So it seems the starting XV for Bled4 is:

1. Robinson
2. Moore
3. Alexander
4. Sharpe
5. Chiz
6. Rocky
7. Bam
8. McCalman
9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. Turner
12. Gits
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
14. JOC (James O'Connor)
15. Beale

I can't see Deans dropping Gits or JOC (James O'Connor), despite the countless times I have written this request on a piece of paper, tied it to a brick and thrown it through his front window. Any other changes?
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
I think that is the likely side Bar man except I feel Mitchell will get the 11 ahead of Turner who will be lucky to make the bench. No rational reason just Deans past selection form makes me think this.

Who do you think will be on the bench?

IMO will be:-

16. Finger
17. Slipper
18. Mumm
19. Brown
20. Burgess
21. Barnes
22. Turner/Davies with Davies likely to get the nod.
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
I'd say you're bang on the money. Can't see Gits or JOC (James O'Connor) being dropped either although I reckon there's a decent chance of Schmoo being in the starting line-up for Turner. As for bench I'm guessing

Slipper
Fingers
Brown
Mumm
Hodgo
Burgess
Barnes

Although a 5:2 leaves us a bit exposed in the outside backs and Robbie will probs use a 4:3 anyway
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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barbarian, I'd agree with all that. Then assuming they'll stick with a similar team, then our first midweek team might look something like this:


15 Peter Hynes
14 Drew Mitchell
13 Pat McCabe ??
12 Anthony Fainga'a
11 Rod Davies
10 Berrick Barnes
9 Luke Burgess
8 Richard Brown
7 Matt Hodgson
6 Scott Higginbotham
5 Dean Mumm
4 Van Humphries
3 Salesi Ma'afu
2 Saia Fainga'a
1 James Slipper

16 Huia Edmonds
17 Ben Daley
18 Rob Simmons
19 Pat McCutcheon
20 Nick Phipps
21 ??
22 Luke Morahan
 

Brumbies Guy

John Solomon (38)
barbarian, I'd agree with all that. Then assuming they'll stick with a similar team, then our first midweek team might look something like this:


15 Peter Hynes
14  Drew Mitchell
13 Pat McCabe ??
12 Anthony Fainga'a
11 Rod Davies
10 Berrick Barnes
9 Luke Burgess
8 Richard Brown
7 Matt Hodgson
6 Scott Higginbotham
5  Dean Mumm
4 Van Humphries
3 Salesi Ma'afu
2 Saia Fainga'a
1 James Slipper

16 Huia Edmonds
17 Ben Daley
18 Rob Simmons
19 Pat McCutcheon
20 Nick Phipps
21 ?? Beale/JOC (James O'Connor)
22 Luke Morahan

Not too bad a team for mid week
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
BaaBaa I reckon that's on the money too. The only selection I think is uncertain is Mitchell / Turner. Could go either way. I think Turner did enough to ensure he stays in the 22 though. Davies will get his shot in the mid-weeks, but Turner is more experienced, in form and can play wing, 13 and 15.
 
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