Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Not arguing that it should be one UTG, just saying it how it seems generally reffed, even Barnes thought it only a penalty. I personally thought it would be a yellow when it happened.
Bledisloe 1 - Saturday 18 August 2018 - ANZ Stadium, Sydney
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Not arguing that it should be one UTG, just saying it how it seems generally reffed, even Barnes thought it only a penalty. I personally thought it would be a yellow when it happened.
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George Smith (75)
According to lots of people on here when it happened to Beaugan v France, yes. Letter-of-the-Law correct call, but as I've said many times before whether that should be the Law is a whole different can of worms.
The one that caught my eye was in the second half, I think, & only 'cos they had the spider-cam right over it. Another one a little later. Arm looked a little too brown to belong to any of your locks
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Steve Williams (59)
World Rugby hanging Gardner out to dry after his decision against France along with the backlash against cards in general will have made the referees cautious of handing out cards and being lambasted for it post game. If the player is not injured and you can concoct some mitigating surface then it’s safest for you as referee just to give it a penalty and not be accused of “ruining the game.”
If Folau had been injured there’s no doubt in my mind Peyper would have sent Naholo to the sin bin.
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Colin Windon (37)
Stupid but that's pretty much how the ref called it :O
Had a kiwi friend texting me during the game saying if the roles were reversed there folau was off for sure
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Sober(ish) thoughts.
Generally consider myself to be a somewhat reasonable person. Try not to buy into the hype or drama too much.
So having said that here is a complete over-reaction:
Watching the All Blacks play test rugby is counter to the desired sporting experience. Simply, sport is about the contest. The struggle between two groups of people to see who can win.
The All Blacks win. There is literally no point investing any time or money (god don't spend money) in watching a test match which involves the Darkness.
We wernt just beaten last night. It was men agaisnt boys. And lets be honest. It always is. 90%+ win ratio and two world cups in a row. It's not that the Wallabies are particularly bad, its that we have to play a team that is in a different league. Three times a year. Including our 'blockbuster' opening match in the heart of rugby territory. Talk about killing interest.
The Ireland series, whilst lost, was brilliant. It was tight, no one could tell the winner until the last minute. A genuine, entertaining contest. When was the last time there was a genuine contest involving the All Blacks? An exhibition match in the US or a 3rd Bledisloe dead rubber?
I'll continue to support the Wobblies but I'll never watch a test match involving NZ again. It's irrational. As far as I'm concerned 2nd is first in the rugby championship.
Edit: i turned down free tickets last night and I'm glad i did so. The $10 i paid to watch norths play represented better value.
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Generally consider myself to be a somewhat reasonable person. Try not to buy into the hype or drama too much.
So having said that here is a complete over-reaction:
Watching the All Blacks play test rugby is counter to the desired sporting experience. Simply, sport is about the contest. The struggle between two groups of people to see who can win.
The All Blacks win. There is literally no point investing any time or money (god don't spend money) in watching a test match which involves the Darkness.
We wernt just beaten last night. It was men agaisnt boys. And lets be honest. It always is. 90%+ win ratio and two world cups in a row. It's not that the Wallabies are particularly bad, its that we have to play a team that is in a different league. Three times a year. Including our 'blockbuster' opening match in the heart of rugby territory. Talk about killing interest.
The Ireland series, whilst lost, was brilliant. It was tight, no one could tell the winner until the last minute. A genuine, entertaining contest. When was the last time there was a genuine contest involving the All Blacks? An exhibition match in the US or a 3rd Bledisloe dead rubber?
I'll continue to support the Wobblies but I'll never watch a test match involving NZ again. It's irrational. As far as I'm concerned 2nd is first in the rugby championship.
Edit: i turned down free tickets last night and I'm glad i did so. The $10 i paid to watch norths play represented better value.
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Dismal Pillock
Michael Lynagh (62)
Folau guilty of borderline professional negligence by not using his face for brakes and thus obliging ref to issue straight red to Naholo.
Sticking the arm out?
No.
Need to take a faceplant for the team there.
Sticking the arm out?
No.
Need to take a faceplant for the team there.
Dismal Pillock
Michael Lynagh (62)
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Mark Ella (57)
1) You have this statement spot on. The competition is all. I don't care so much for the result it is how the game is played that is my concern, winning or losing looks after itself if a team plays well you can be satisfied.
2) Totally wrong. The Wallabies are a poor side. Poor in skills execution across the board, poorly skilled in key positions such as Folau's inability to kick, Phipps inability to pass consistently, Foley's relatively poor kicking game …….. The Wallabies are very poorly coached. The skill deficiencies of "star" players have been extremely well documented but they have made absolutely no improvements to those deficiencies. This is coaching, either in the fact that they cannot teach the players or the players are non-receptive. If the later I don't care if an Israel Folau is able to jump high, he is not a 15 and therefore should not be selected in that position. The actual tactics the Wallabies play went out in 2002 when Macqueen retired and the endless recycle game was getting penalised (rightly so) out of the game. Rugby is not League, lateral passing with one out runners from one side to the other with the only support runner being a single player looking for the in tackle offload is not a genuine attacking threat to a well drilled defensive side.
3)The Wallabies did not play well in tests 2 and 3 - and not because they lost, the issues around the set piece were there in those games, with different players, so the issue is not the personnel so much as the lack of coaching ability.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
To be honest Derpus, I will miss your comments on tests against ABs, I know you do post at time when emotiopnal while watching, but do enjoy your comments after tests ( as I do with many in here).
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Can I ask everyone a question, do you think one of Wallabie's problems at lineout time is the lack of taller lifters? ABs use their big boys like Read, Squire etc to do lifting quite often, and seem to like a little taller props, does the likes of Robertson , and having a shorter No 8 like Pocock hinder the ability to get your jumpers up a bit higher? Just a thought.
Up the Guts
Steve Williams (59)
Probably doesn't help but I think the main thing was that NZ just seemed to have worked out the Wallaby calls and Wallabies had no idea how to adapt after that. With Retallick and co. so good in the air you can't afford a 50/50 contest because they'll beat you 9/10.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
The old fool should’ve retired years ago........
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/bledisloe-broadcast-marred-by-gaffe-20180818-p4zybx.html
Dismal Pillock
Michael Lynagh (62)
You make many fair points Derps and I am in TOTAL agreement with you.
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John Solomon (38)
Dismal Pillock
Michael Lynagh (62)
It's ok, Bray corrected himself later and said he should've used "fuzzy wuzzy" instead.
Everything's under control.
tragic
John Solomon (38)
As I’ve said before then Wallabies are the France of Southern Hemisphere rugby.
On their day they can beat the ABs and Ireland - ranked 1 and 2 in the world.
On another day they can capitulate and degenerate into a shambles.
We saw both in one game last night.
Doesn’t mean we will next week.
They’ll fix the lineout. The scrum is fine these days. Ireland was a real contest and an enjoyable part of the game. Franks is always a destabiliser especially if the penalties start to go his way. The ref won’t have a double headed coin next week.
We’ll come close in one of the three - maybe even snag one.
It’s not all doom and gloom.
On their day they can beat the ABs and Ireland - ranked 1 and 2 in the world.
On another day they can capitulate and degenerate into a shambles.
We saw both in one game last night.
Doesn’t mean we will next week.
They’ll fix the lineout. The scrum is fine these days. Ireland was a real contest and an enjoyable part of the game. Franks is always a destabiliser especially if the penalties start to go his way. The ref won’t have a double headed coin next week.
We’ll come close in one of the three - maybe even snag one.
It’s not all doom and gloom.
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
Doesn't help when you are lifting Hooper at 2!!!
I'd also say that TPN looked like he just arrived with the side, which amazing he did!!!!
Also say that Latu's biggest fault has been his throwing for a long time and that hasn't improved.
To me the lifters height wasn't the issue, it was the timing between throw and jumpers/receivers and the accuracy of the throw. When you consider the above points it really isn't that surprising and just another failure of coaching/selection.
Joe Blow
John Hipwell (52)
BPAs throwing was good against Ireland. He should be considered on the bench. We have 3 very good targets and a 4th poor option in Hooper. That should be plenty. Throwing was off and the AIGs worked out our calls.
The scrum was going to be one of our strengths but very tough to lose Sio and TT. If they are fit both should prop up TPN next week to start.
Any word on Folau?
The scrum was going to be one of our strengths but very tough to lose Sio and TT. If they are fit both should prop up TPN next week to start.
Any word on Folau?
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