Beunos Aires based Super Rugby team by 2015

[WorkingClassRugger]

no, it just doesnt work like that...

Firstly, why would the IRB top up the wages of a player in the Super Rugby competition, they have no need or requirement to do so, the IRB will help Argenitina gain acceptance into the Tri-Nations by providing funding to off-set the reduction in broadcast agreements the other countries face, they will enforce a international window on the NH clubs so that all Argentinan players will be released, but paying a Argentinans wages so he can represent a club in Aus/NZ/RSA is not going to happen.

In addition to that, even if the Argentinan Rugby Union does get a greater influx of cash from been added to the competition, at best they will pay there players around $10'000/match(maybe 15'000) which equates to $60'000/year. Add this onto the proposed Super Rugby wage of $80'000 and your proposing that a Argentinan test player will be happy to get paid $140'000 a year when most of them are on at least tripple that in the NH.

France and Wales are in different market places, France has economies of scale, which means they have enough professional rugby clubs in the country with development pathways that they can afford to allow foreigners in their teams. Wales again is a differrent market, welsh clubs are actually predominantly welsh, there are a number of forieigners in each but there squads are also significantly larger then Australian squads.

Dont get me wrong, im not against foreign players in Australian club sides, i just think its a naive to believe that it could work so seamlessly, Argenitinan players already get paid massive wages in Europe, it would be extremely exspensive to try and convince them to move to another part of the world for less wages, when ultimately there is little to gain. They can represent Argentina in the 4-nations whether they play in France/Australia or England.

The thought of Argentinan players flooding Super Rugby is a fantasy, the only time this will happen is if Argentina has there own team included in the exsisiting Super Rugby competition.

That's why in my opinion the word 'development' is crucial. This season the Las Pampas XV made up of local players won the Vodacom Cup in Argentina. These are the guys you target. The future stars of Argentine Rugby not the current.

 

[Nusadan]

There's the danger of some Oz Super sides just nabbing Argie front rowers instead of developing their own themselves to the detriment of the Wallabies...

 

[Inside Shoulder]

people don't really watch it anyway. New zealanders and south africans are dead set bored of super rugby, hence why crowds are terrible in nz. games from south africa played at 2am don't exactly provide a ratings heaven new limited. they do not want to play each other or us, they want to see games that are meaningful and that is the traditional rivalries of their provincial competitions.

I think you're right and judging by the empty seats in wellington for SA v. AUS they couldnt be ****ed paying to watch either of them.
They are looking like something of a backwater in that regard: remember the crowds we pulled in 2003.......Launceston ffs was sold out. the K1w1s may be as small minded as some unkindly suggest.

 

[TheNextBigThing]

judging by the empty seats in wellington for SA v. AUS they couldnt be ****ed paying to watch either of them.

The empty seats for the Quarters were most likely due to rescheduled supporter groups. Both Wellington semis sold well. QF 1 had less than 1000 tickets left on the Thursday while QF3 had about 2500. Had Ireland and Australia played on their respected days, there would have been more people there but the attendance wasn't due to a lack of interest from Wellingtonians.

 

[wolverine]

Dont get me wrong, im not against foreign players in Australian club sides, i just think its a naive to believe that it could work so seamlessly, Argenitinan players already get paid massive wages in Europe, it would be extremely exspensive to try and convince them to move to another part of the world for less wages, when ultimately there is little to gain. They can represent Argentina in the 4-nations whether they play in France/Australia or England.

When the expanded Four Nations begins, French clubs will either stop signing Argentinian players, or they will ask Argentinian players to not play for their country. It was reported in the English press in the last week that English clubs have complained about their Puma players participating in test Rugby, and that the Argentina RU have agreed that frontliners won't take part in the June 2012 tests against France and Italy. Looks like the Pumas will take some heavy defeats across their whole test program for a few years yet. Unless they migrate to Japanese Top League teams en masse, and can secure releases.

The 4 Irish provinces can sign 6 non Irish qualified players each on their books, and they are centrally owned by the IRFU (hence being known as Leinster branch, Munster branch etc). It would be interesting to see how they afford it. Even Leinster and Munster attract smaller attendances than Australian Super Rugby franchises, the Celtic League broadcast rights would be poor. I'm not sure the 6N and HEC broadcast revenue would be that much higher to substantiate.

 

[Melbourne Terrace]

no, it just doesnt work like that...

Firstly, why would the IRB top up the wages of a player in the Super Rugby competition, they have no need or requirement to do so, the IRB will help Argenitina gain acceptance into the Tri-Nations by providing funding to off-set the reduction in broadcast agreements the other countries face, they will enforce a international window on the NH clubs so that all Argentinan players will be released, but paying a Argentinans wages so he can represent a club in Aus/NZ/RSA is not going to happen.

In addition to that, even if the Argentinan Rugby Union does get a greater influx of cash from been added to the competition, at best they will pay there players around $10'000/match(maybe 15'000) which equates to $60'000/year. Add this onto the proposed Super Rugby wage of $80'000 and your proposing that a Argentinan test player will be happy to get paid $140'000 a year when most of them are on at least tripple that in the NH.

France and Wales are in different market places, France has economies of scale, which means they have enough professional rugby clubs in the country with development pathways that they can afford to allow foreigners in their teams. Wales again is a differrent market, welsh clubs are actually predominantly welsh, there are a number of forieigners in each but there squads are also significantly larger then Australian squads.

Dont get me wrong, im not against foreign players in Australian club sides, i just think its a naive to believe that it could work so seamlessly, Argenitinan players already get paid massive wages in Europe, it would be extremely exspensive to try and convince them to move to another part of the world for less wages, when ultimately there is little to gain. They can represent Argentina in the 4-nations whether they play in France/Australia or England.

The thought of Argentinan players flooding Super Rugby is a fantasy, the only time this will happen is if Argentina has there own team included in the exsisiting Super Rugby competition.

why would you bother asking the current ones in europe to come back when they are already on euro contracts and have a international release clause for 4-nations? it would likely be for the next generation of players that such an opening would be designed for.

 

[TOCC]

When the expanded Four Nations begins, French clubs will either stop signing Argentinian players, or they will ask Argentinian players to not play for their country. It was reported in the English press in the last week that English clubs have complained about their Puma players participating in test Rugby, and that the Argentina RU have agreed that frontliners won't take part in the June 2012 tests against France and Italy. Looks like the Pumas will take some heavy defeats across their whole test program for a few years yet. Unless they migrate to Japanese Top League teams en masse, and can secure releases.

The 4 Irish provinces can sign 6 non Irish qualified players each on their books, and they are centrally owned by the IRFU (hence being known as Leinster branch, Munster branch etc). It would be interesting to see how they afford it. Even Leinster and Munster attract smaller attendances than Australian Super Rugby franchises, the Celtic League broadcast rights would be poor. I'm not sure the 6N and HEC broadcast revenue would be that much higher to substantiate.

Well not really, the benefit of having southern hemisphere players is that they will still be able to represent the clubs during the 6 nations when all the 6 nation test players are removed. Yes they will take a hit during the 4 nations by losing there argentine players, but its no different to the 6 nations and those players still get signed by clubs.

Its irrelevant to talk about the economics of Irish and Welsh clubs, they operate in vastly different markets and under different taxation laws. I think you would be silly to undervaule the broadcast rights of the 6 nations/HEC, it covers a market of over 180million of whom are comparitively wealthy. As opposed to SANZAR which is 25 million between Australian and New Zealand and a further 50million in South Africa, the only caveat for South Africa is the % of those who live below the poverty line or low income puts the potential market return much lower.