Beunos Aires based Super Rugby team by 2015

[WorkingClassRugger]

Interesting link.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...springbok-opener-in-four-nations-2367755.html

 

[Cardiffblue]

s'not gonna 'appen

 

[Army_Gav]

My thread last month http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/forum/threads/9311-Super-Rugby-in-Buenos-Aires-by-2015

 

[matty_k]

This topic comes up frequently

 

[grievous]

what ever happened to the pro domestic comp in Arg that the IRB were going to bankroll? If that could get up and running and players could say fuck off NH clubs, they would be aligned with the SH as they should be

 

[Bowside]

I just dont see how this will ever work unless they have a separate conference with the saffas.

 

[waratahjesus]

I just dont see how this will ever work unless they have a separate conference with the saffas.

It did come up that the conference system was seen as essential for this reason, that conferences could expand independently of others.

 

[louie]

I just dont see how this will ever work unless they have a separate conference with the saffas.

this i wouldn't mind. pain in the behind getting up to watch games at 3am.

 

[pete88]

Going out on a limb here, but I don't think the Saffers will agree with you here.

See this whole issue is why I thought it would be good to have the Argies join the 6N. But that might be short term thinking, if it's possible to get meaningful domestic rugby going on in Argentina then by all means they should be in the 3N, just don't see how they'd work right now as part of Super Rugby purely due to timezones and the already lengthy nature of the tournament. If they share a conference with someone, those fans won't like having to get up at all hours to watch their side.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

what ever happened to the pro domestic comp in Arg that the IRB were going to bankroll? If that could get up and running and players could say fuck off NH clubs, they would be aligned with the SH as they should be

The Buenos Aires Rugby Union is what happened. They are unwilling to move forward in fear of losing control of the game in Argentina. Sounds errily familiar doesn't it.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

It did come up that the conference system was seen as essential for this reason, that conferences could expand independently of others.

Steve Tew has hinted at the ambition to expand into the Americas both South and North. And I know the USAR administration are keen to get a team as soon as possible. I am of the belief that the introduction of the conference system was introduced specifically to instigate such moves.

 

[Melbourne Terrace]

For our sake i bloody hope we don't go anywhere near the americas. It is TOO FAR for a weekly 'domestic competition' to be based world wide, not even the NBA or EPL would be able to handle the demands a world-wide competition would throw up. you might as well have a team playing out of the south pole if you accept Argentina, let alone North America. The amount of issues that this would throw up are limitless. Travel fees will increase dramatically, player fatigue increases from the travel, what bloody conference do you force to accept them into, it won't exactly help tv ratings when games will be played at the middle of the night or in the very early morning. Fans in SA and NZ especially are already complaining about having to play all these teams they couldn't give a rats arse about from overseas, why would they want to see some South American team? It also has the problem that it's putting a lot of money into only a single professional team (which will have extremely high costs) for Argentina rather than having a focusing on the set up of a sustainable pro domestic competition. Having more spots available in multiple teams for developing players rather than putting all the eggs into one basket should be the goal of the IRB. Start small and build up is the key, give the local players a national platform to expose themselves to pro rugby and gradually stem the player drain (the best players will leave for europe anyway but that is always going to happen) and watch the puma's performances slowly increase. IRB, and the UAR, should crack the whip at the BARU and get their own national competition first and build it up like Japan has, who have shown it is not impossible to set the building blocks for a sustainable domestic league.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

12500 ks from Perth to buenos aires
12500 ks from Sydney to capetown
7800 cape town to ba
9978 Wellington to ba

It must follow that there is no sound geographical reason not to include a buenos aires team

You could play them and then your south African leg and be in the same position as the south African teams have been coming to Oz and then NZ



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[Melbourne Terrace]

how much did your last flight around the world through argentina and cape town cost you? That should be your geographic reason. It would not be the same position for us to touring south Africans when the minimum time difference between nz and Australia is two hours compared to 5 hours as well as the fact that it's 'generally' an extra 4-7000km for the total round trip which would mean longer flight times and eventually poorer recoveries. The need for team owners to have to fund more plane tickets, more hotel rooms, more team buses and all the other costs should make it quite undesirable for the team owners.

 

[wolverine]

Given the Southern/Eastern Province Kings are also due to come in, both teams would go into the SA conference, increasing it to at least 7 teams. Either 3 conference structure would remain, or the Aus/NZ conference could amalgamate into a Pacific conference. Since there would be a different number of teams in each conference, SANZAR might need to respond by adding more byes/rounds. Under a 3 conference system, Aus and NZ could continue to play all teams H&A within their conferences, but the SA/Arg conference might only be able to play all teams once, and two of the other 6 teams twice. SARU would not mind, they opposed the H&A concept as it duplicated matches in the Currie Cup.

AUS - NSW, QLD, ACT, Rebels, Force
NZ - Blues, Chiefs, Canes, Crusaders, Highlanders
Atlantic - BA, Stormers, Kings, Sharks, Cheetahs, Lions, Bulls

So in that pool, BA might play other teams once, but say the closest teams (Stormers and Kings) a second time. Similarly, the Bulls might only play Lions and Cheetahs a second time. Critics might say that the schedule might not be even for different teams, but neither is NFL, another geographically large competition with many teams. The cream will rise to the top.

I'd believe the players and competition overall would be better off with a reduction of two regular round games (leading to 14 regular round games), and an increase to a top 7 finals knockout.

 

[TOCC]

i wouldnt get to wrapped up in it all, it wont be a case of injecting Argentina into the current competion, the restructure from the Super14 to the current Super Rugby conference system will continue IMO.

I see a day when the Super Rugby component of the of competition will be closely alligned to how the Heinekin Cup currently operates, only the top few teams from each country/conference will proceed through to the penultimate round of the competition. This allows each country/union to retain control of how they operate the conference, how long the season is and ultimate which teams are included.

It may not be ideal, but if you consider the needs and requirements of each country, it would be a lot more flexible and accommodating to the domestic(currie cup and npc) competitions, which is currently the biggest sticking point in expanding the competition further.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

how much did your last flight around the world through argentina and cape town cost you? That should be your geographic reason. It would not be the same position for us to touring south Africans when the minimum time difference between nz and Australia is two hours compared to 5 hours as well as the fact that it's 'generally' an extra 4-7000km for the total round trip which would mean longer flight times and eventually poorer recoveries. The need for team owners to have to fund more plane tickets, more hotel rooms, more team buses and all the other costs should make it quite undesirable for the team owners.

the thread was proceeding on the australasian centric assumption that all flying would be to the west: no one bothered to do the maths to appreciate that it actually balances out the time zones for all teams. the force having an advantage in this regard.
it aint going to happen so its academic
the cost is a financial reason
you will note i confined myself to geographical and did not address physiological or other issues

 

[liquor box]

do the teams actually pay for flights? I always assumed that this is why they have airlines for sponsors. Does this make me naive?

I like the idea, the more teams the better as far as I am concerned.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

do the teams actually pay for flights? I always assumed that this is why they have airlines for sponsors. Does this make me naive?

I like the idea, the more teams the better as far as I am concerned.

even on that basis some must

 

[TOCC]

do the teams actually pay for flights? I always assumed that this is why they have airlines for sponsors. Does this make me naive?

I like the idea, the more teams the better as far as I am concerned.

it all depends how the sponsorship package is structured, the Force are sponsored by Emirates, but as far as im aware there arent a whole lot of Emirates flights linking Perth with the rest of the world. You would be reluctant to fly to the UAE enroute to South Africa.

I think for ease most packages are a financial one these days, the ultimate value would be the same as if they were to receive free flights, but the way its processed is different.