Bakies Banned for 3 Weeks

[Blue]

According to the report he pushed his elbow into his head. It's dumb. Move on and play the game.

Is there any footage for this one?

It has not been made public but the commissioner received additional footage. The fact that the player is not goign to appeal is proof enough for me that he is in fact guilty and accepts the sentence.

Waugh is a nuggety and irritating shit and not my favorite player (especially after I met him in SA once and found him to be a rude and abrasive fluffybunny who thought the Sun comes up out of his arse), but that's still no reason to justify another playing striking him.

 

[Novocastrian]

I've met the IRB's head of legal affairs. To call him a cretin is an understatement. He was the one who, when hounded down over Martin Johnson's little five weeks specials back in the day, came out with the shame-faced admission that the IRB has never stepped in to sort this stuff out.

Well gee, I got it wrong, you really are important then aren't you :

If you think it's not a real problem, think again. You can't deny that citings are not consistent across competitions; and to make it clear, that applies everywhere. Citing commissioners are out of control, world-wide, and under no supervision by the IRB. That's what leads to real problems with things like l'Affaire Tincu, amongst others. And if the IRB isn't going to step in to sort it out, then there really is no alternative but to sort it out the nasty way.

So your solution to an imperfect situation is to breakout the horsehair wigs and have a courtroom debate on whether or not a suspension should be thrown out because the citing commissioner didn't dot an i, or used the wrong coloured pen when signing the paperwork or some other such irrelevant minutiae? Because lets face it, that's the path you lot will send it down.

At the very least, there should be a requirement on all citing commissions to produce publicly the evidence on which they rely to give a suspension at the time they hand down the decision.

Agree with that.

Too much mate. PB's entitled to his views, so are you, keep the name calling out of it. Cheers.

Yep fair enough, my apologies Paarl. This one got me riled up for some reason.

 

[cyclopath]

You can't deny that citings are not consistent across competitions; and to make it clear, that applies everywhere. Citing commissioners are out of control, world-wide, and under no supervision by the IRB. That's what leads to real problems with things like l'Affaire Tincu, amongst others. And if the IRB isn't going to step in to sort it out, then there really is no alternative but to sort it out the nasty way.

At the very least, there should be a requirement on all citing commissions to produce publicly the evidence on which they rely to give a suspension at the time they hand down the decision.

It's not anti-Aussie, it's not anti-anyone; the game needs citing, and it needs proper citing that everyone trusts. Bad citing is worse than none. We know; the tit-for-tat shit up here culminated in an accusation of racism against a Munster player after an Ospreys player was cited for biting. So vile an accusation was it that the ERC made the unheard-of statement of coming out and saying that the supposed words were never said, and then changed the citing rules so there was an independent citing commissioner separate from the teams who took over the citing role. Which is a start, but there needs to be oversight of the decision-makers as well.

The tyranny of distance in the SH makes for a difficult citing process; the logistics of the Super competition are expensive enough without having two independent citing commissioners in each of the three countries. However, the current practice where the home country citing commissioner rules on infringements against his countrymen is a classic case of a bloke appealing to his mother-in-law over his wife's indiscretions. Not a good look.

When things get to the appeal level an independent tribunal comes into play: there's one from each country with a fresh official from the home country. On the matter of inconsistent rulings for similar offences there needs to be a table drawn up in the criminal code for those offences with built-in multipliers for repeat offenders. Then everyone can see a punch to the head gets three weeks, a boot to the head gets five, etc. A job for you, Thomo.

I think distance is used as a lame excuse. Technology can largely overcome all issues except the time difference which can be dealt with.
There is lack of process and enforcing standards. That's more the problem.

In this case through the player seems to accept the suspension which is enough to indicate that whatever footage the commissioner received from Fox was mroe than adequate to prove his guilt.

I agree Blue. Easy to have a teleconference link up for these things, have a regular panel, get some consistency.

 

[Lindommer]

To link teleconferencing and technology with rugby officials is to create a classic oxymoron. : : :

 

[Thomond78]

You can't deny that citings are not consistent across competitions; and to make it clear, that applies everywhere. Citing commissioners are out of control, world-wide, and under no supervision by the IRB. That's what leads to real problems with things like l'Affaire Tincu, amongst others. And if the IRB isn't going to step in to sort it out, then there really is no alternative but to sort it out the nasty way.

At the very least, there should be a requirement on all citing commissions to produce publicly the evidence on which they rely to give a suspension at the time they hand down the decision.

It's not anti-Aussie, it's not anti-anyone; the game needs citing, and it needs proper citing that everyone trusts. Bad citing is worse than none. We know; the tit-for-tat shit up here culminated in an accusation of racism against a Munster player after an Ospreys player was cited for biting. So vile an accusation was it that the ERC made the unheard-of statement of coming out and saying that the supposed words were never said, and then changed the citing rules so there was an independent citing commissioner separate from the teams who took over the citing role. Which is a start, but there needs to be oversight of the decision-makers as well.

The tyranny of distance in the SH makes for a difficult citing process; the logistics of the Super competition are expensive enough without having two independent citing commissioners in each of the three countries. However, the current practice where the home country citing commissioner rules on infringements against his countrymen is a classic case of a bloke appealing to his mother-in-law over his wife's indiscretions. Not a good look.

When things get to the appeal level an independent tribunal comes into play: there's one from each country with a fresh official from the home country. On the matter of inconsistent rulings for similar offences there needs to be a table drawn up in the criminal code for those offences with built-in multipliers for repeat offenders. Then everyone can see a punch to the head gets three weeks, a boot to the head gets five, etc. A job for you, Thomo.

I think distance is used as a lame excuse. Technology can largely overcome all issues except the time difference which can be dealt with.
There is lack of process and enforcing standards. That's more the problem.

In this case through the player seems to accept the suspension which is enough to indicate that whatever footage the commissioner received from Fox was mroe than adequate to prove his guilt.

I agree Blue. Easy to have a teleconference link up for these things, have a regular panel, get some consistency.

Exactly. We have refs from the other hemisphere for the 3N/6N (and in passing, we won't send down Lewis if you don't send up Lawrence. We'll all get Barnes...). It isn't beyond the wit of mortal man to do it with qualified citing commissioner.

BTW, there's effectively no time lapse from Europe to SA, so that argument doesn't apply. The time can be worked around; take a look at your kick-off times for proof, amongst others.

 

[PaarlBok]

Yep fair enough, my apologies Paarl. This one got me riled up for some reason.

No problems broer, look like I get it from everywhere these days. :nta: Whats your name on TSF?

Back to the Bakkies thing, think he show his other side by accepting his faith. Credit to the big man and hope he'll wont change a bit in the way he play the game. We'll need biltong eaters like him against the Lions.

 

[Blue]

One commission made of of reps from all three countries with a proxy each if they aren't available. Work out a majority voting system to help them agree the tough ones.

The technology is simple desktop conferencing linking to the video editing software so they all end up looking at exactly the same video and can discuss it.

It costs a few hundred dollars and I'll even offer to install it for free if I get a first class ticket to NZ and SA and I live 2 minutes from the ARU's office so they can send Jon to give me a lift

 

[cyclopath]

One commission made of of reps from all three countries with a proxy each if they aren't available. Work out a majority voting system to help them agree the tough ones.

The technology is simple desktop conferencing linking to the video editing software so they all end up looking at exactly the same video and can discuss it.

It costs a few hundred dollars and I'll even offer to install it for free if I get a first class ticket to NZ and SA and I live 2 minutes from the ARU's office so they can send Jon to give me a lift

You really want to sit in the back of the car with JON???

 

[Blue]

One commission made of of reps from all three countries with a proxy each if they aren't available. Work out a majority voting system to help them agree the tough ones.

The technology is simple desktop conferencing linking to the video editing software so they all end up looking at exactly the same video and can discuss it.

It costs a few hundred dollars and I'll even offer to install it for free if I get a first class ticket to NZ and SA and I live 2 minutes from the ARU's office so they can send Jon to give me a lift

You really want to sit in the back of the car with JON???

He drives.

I sit in the back O0

 

[PaarlBok]

Whats it with the Aussies and the Bothas getting cited, first Bakkies now Johan chucking, vrekken hell, if it was the old SA we would have put Pik & PW on you lot. :nta:

 

[Moses]

Here's the real footage of Bakkies' offence

 

[Thomond78]

Whats it with the Aussies and the Bothas getting cited, first Bakkies now Johan chucking, vrekken hell, if it was the old SA we would have put Pik & PW on you lot. :nta:

And how well that worked down the years... :

 

[Scarfman]

Here's the real footage of Bakkies' offence

As I wrote on the frontpage, Bakkies is an absolute shit. How can an elbow to the face of a man pinned be only worth 3 weeks? I'm not sure how you can defend that, Paarl. There's a difference between uncompromising rugby and being a cheap shot artist.

 

[Blue]

Here's the real footage of Bakkies' offence

As I wrote on the frontpage, Bakkies is an absolute shit. How can an elbow to the face of a man pinned be only worth 3 weeks? I'm not sure how you can defend that, Paarl. There's a difference between uncompromising rugby and being a cheap shot artist.

Cheap shot, and he is lucky as fuck with three weeks.

He is a shit. What a pity becuase that's unfortunately what most will remember him for instead of one of the best locks to play the game, which he has every bit of potential to be.

As for the Pik and PW Botha comment. I have a better punishment for Bakkies. He has to sit and talk to Pik for at least an hour (after Pick has knocked back his forst bottle of brandy for the morning), and then go and have a cup of tea with PW's widow. That should amount to enough torture.

For those who don't know, PW Botha was the SA Prime minister in the height of apartheid, and Pik was his henchmen who travelled the world as foreign minister, denying that apartheid was wrong. Not nice people.

 

[Moses]

Was FW De Clerk after PW Botha?

 

[Blue]

Was FW De Clerk after PW Botha?

Yes

He's the guy who convinced PW to step aside, and then let Mandela out of prison.

 

[PaarlBok]

Was FW De Clerk after PW Botha?

Yes

He's the guy who convinced PW to step aside, and then let Mandela out of prison.

Arse Hole! :lmao: Then he vok around like Doost. No joking I saw FW every now and then in the butcher , stay close to Paarl.


Ja after watch that Bakkies sure cross the line and got his punishment. Guilty as charge. :

Blue the Aussies will always see him as a thug , who cares a vok? In SA he is and always will be our Springbok legend.

 

[Pfitzy]

Wow... only three weeks with his record is a pretty amazing. Then again he got away with this sort of shit in a Wallaby test a few years back. Just goes to show there is no real substance to the way we handle our judiciary.

Pik and PW sound like the kind of guys who would give Bakkies the keys to the city :nta:

 

[Blue]

Wow... only three weeks with his record is a pretty amazing. Then again he got away with this sort of shit in a Wallaby test a few years back. Just goes to show there is no real substance to the way we handle our judiciary.

Pik and PW sound like the kind of guys who would give Bakkies the keys to the city :nta:

Why?

 

[PaarlBok]

Pik and PW sound like the kind of guys who would give Bakkies the keys to the city :nta:

Nick they were poofters. :lmao: