Bakies Banned for 3 Weeks

[Moses]

Indeed, that would make sense to me as well... I do recall hearing about an elbow on the live coverage

 

[Scarfman]

C'mon guys, you're surely not suggesting that Bakkies would stick an elbow in the head of a player prone on the ground, are you?

 

[cyclopath]

C'mon guys, you're surely not suggesting that Bakkies would stick an elbow in the head of a player prone on the ground, are you?

Well if the player was prone it would be to the back of the head, if he was supine, then the face which I'm sure Bakkies would prefer! ;D
Blue, PB - easy, it's a joke!

 

[PaarlBok]

The citing officer just try his best to get the Tahs in the semis or the Brutes out of it. :nta: Hope it all backfire on him. :lmao:

 

[PaarlBok]

Read on the front page some feel he getting punched for things he did in the past. Sound like the new SA there, kids getting punish for the sins of the fathers sort of. :lmao:

 

[cyclopath]

The citing officer just try his best to get the Tahs in the semis or the Brutes out of it. :nta: Hope it all backfire on him. :lmao:

Well, I think it's pretty clear now that the citing was not for what was originally shown on footage, but for some work Bakkies did in the ruck prior to that exchange. And certainly not the kiss that you've mentioned a few times.
Interesting that when Aussie refs / citing commissioners get it wrong, the suggestion is trotted out of cheating, but it's just incompetence from anyone else. I'm sure you're not really suggesting that PB?

 

[PaarlBok]

I'm sure you're not really suggesting that PB?

Nah just joking like Doc. Still harsh on Bakkies I think but it maybe a good thing for the Bokke if he get a bit of a rest now. Will get him into shape when he meet Waugh again in the final in SA. Hope he bliksem him dik next time.

Blue: You may call it dumb for Bakkies to back off after Waugh start his shite, in my days Waugh would have end up on his arse trying to stuck it with the tough ones.

 

[Blue]

C'mon guys, you're surely not suggesting that Bakkies would stick an elbow in the head of a player prone on the ground, are you?

Well if the player was prone it would be to the back of the head, if he was supine, then the face which I'm sure Bakkies would prefer! ;D
Blue, PB - easy, it's a joke!

No worries with any of the comments here - more just pissed with the citing.

 

[Blue]

I'm sure you're not really suggesting that PB?

Nah just joking like Doc. Still harsh on Bakkies I think but it maybe a good thing for the Bokke if he get a bit of a rest now. Will get him into shape when he meet Waugh again in the final in SA. Hope he bliksem him dik next time.

Blue: You may call it dumb for Bakkies to back off after Waugh start his shite, in my days Waugh would have end up on his arse trying to stuck it with the tough ones.

You're not making sense. According to the report he pushed his elbow into his head. It's dumb. Move on and play the game. What you or anyone else did in your day makes sweet fuck all of a difference today. There was no judiciary then. There is now.

 

[PaarlBok]

According to the report he pushed his elbow into his head. It's dumb. Move on and play the game.

Is there any footage for this one?

Maybe I am missing something here, vok I teach my kid to hit a ruck like a bomb, if its elbow first, so what. If they making rules for going in a ruck with your balls first they just may aswell play netball.

If Waugh try to push Bakkies around sure you dont expect him to back off. No way in the world that will happen. Waugh look like a bloody poofter no wonder Bakkies blow him a kiss.

 

[Novocastrian]

According to the report he pushed his elbow into his head. It's dumb. Move on and play the game.

Is there any footage for this one?

Maybe I am missing something here, vok I teach my kid to hit a ruck like a bomb, if its elbow first, so what. If they making rules for going in a ruck with your balls first they just may aswell play netball.

If Waugh try to push Bakkies around sure you dont expect him to back off. No way in the world that will happen. Waugh look like a bloody poofter no wonder Bakkies blow him a kiss.

And by the same token, if Bakkies elbowed Waugh in the head surely you don't expect Waugh to back off and take it do you? Yeah I know Bakkies is a hardman and he'd smash Waugh the little pansy blah blah blah blah.

It was mentioned on a similar thread on that other site that footage was shown on Reunion in NZ, but even if there wasn't any footage publically available does that make a difference? Or are you going to keep spouting your moronic views that Bakkies was suspended for blowing a kiss until you get to see the footage for yourself or that it was an Aussie conspiracy to get the Tah's into the final?

I guess those sort of posts fit in well with the idiocy on that thread (such as Thomond's call for legal action on the citing process - just what the world needs, more fucking lawyers with a vastly inflated opinion of their importance in the world!) but surely you can keep the braindead posts for there?

 

[PaarlBok]

And by the same token, if Bakkies elbowed Waugh in the head surely you don't expect Waugh to back off and take it do you? Yeah I know Bakkies is a hardman and he'd smash Waugh the little pansy blah blah blah blah.

He still look like a arse when Bakkies reply to his pissy push. If I was in Bakkies boots I would have floor him in two ticks.

It was mentioned on a similar thread on that other site that footage was shown on Reunion in NZ, but even if there wasn't any footage publically available does that make a difference? Or are you going to keep spouting your moronic views that Bakkies was suspended for blowing a kiss until you get to see the footage for yourself or that it was an Aussie conspiracy to get the Tah's into the final?

That maybe true. Thats the footage coming from your Foxtel lot, so they must have got it totally wrong or just plain dum or stupid trying to show their own vokken sissie captain. Dunno Boet I have recieved much worse then a elbow in my day in a ruck. If you down there you can expect anything, so you either vokof or you just get what you deserve.

I guess those sort of posts fit in well with the idiocy on that thread (such as Thomond's call for legal action on the citing process - just what the world needs, more fucking lawyers with a vastly inflated opinion of their importance in the world!) but surely you can keep the braindead posts for there?

Hey maybe Thomo have a great idea there. :nta: for braindead posters like myself, maybe I will understand it better. Myself have a view , you may call it braindead but I'll post them the same on any forum. If you dont like them piss off.

 

[cyclopath]

You're missing the point, PB.
It's not about being a "hard man" and bashing everyone - we all know what used to happen in the past. So what? It doesn't make it right. I got eye-gouged once - should we OK that too FFS??
There are rules, and elbowing others in the head is not included in the acceptable list.
Crapping on about Waugh being a poof, sissy or otherwise is just bullshit, and irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Bakkies admitted he made contact with Waugh's head with his elbow and is not appealing. End of, I would say.
Elbowing people in the head isn't being "hard". It's being a dumb thug, and it isn't needed in rugby.

 

[Scarfman]

And by the same token, if Bakkies elbowed Waugh in the head surely you don't expect Waugh to back off and take it do you? Yeah I know Bakkies is a hardman and he'd smash Waugh the little pansy blah blah blah blah.

It was mentioned on a similar thread on that other site that footage was shown on Reunion in NZ, but even if there wasn't any footage publically available does that make a difference? Or are you going to keep spouting your moronic views that Bakkies was suspended for blowing a kiss until you get to see the footage for yourself or that it was an Aussie conspiracy to get the Tah's into the final?

I guess those sort of posts fit in well with the idiocy on that thread (such as Thomond's call for legal action on the citing process - just what the world needs, more fucking lawyers with a vastly inflated opinion of their importance in the world!) but surely you can keep the braindead posts for there?

Too much mate. PB's entitled to his views, so are you, keep the name calling out of it. Cheers.

 

[Thomond78]

According to the report he pushed his elbow into his head. It's dumb. Move on and play the game.

Is there any footage for this one?

Maybe I am missing something here, vok I teach my kid to hit a ruck like a bomb, if its elbow first, so what. If they making rules for going in a ruck with your balls first they just may aswell play netball.

If Waugh try to push Bakkies around sure you dont expect him to back off. No way in the world that will happen. Waugh look like a bloody poofter no wonder Bakkies blow him a kiss.

And by the same token, if Bakkies elbowed Waugh in the head surely you don't expect Waugh to back off and take it do you? Yeah I know Bakkies is a hardman and he'd smash Waugh the little pansy blah blah blah blah.

It was mentioned on a similar thread on that other site that footage was shown on Reunion in NZ, but even if there wasn't any footage publically available does that make a difference? Or are you going to keep spouting your moronic views that Bakkies was suspended for blowing a kiss until you get to see the footage for yourself or that it was an Aussie conspiracy to get the Tah's into the final?

I guess those sort of posts fit in well with the idiocy on that thread (such as Thomond's call for legal action on the citing process - just what the world needs, more fucking lawyers with a vastly inflated opinion of their importance in the world!) but surely you can keep the braindead posts for there?

I've met the IRB's head of legal affairs. To call him a cretin is an understatement. He was the one who, when hounded down over Martin Johnson's little five weeks specials back in the day, came out with the shame-faced admission that the IRB has never stepped in to sort this stuff out.

If you think it's not a real problem, think again. You can't deny that citings are not consistent across competitions; and to make it clear, that applies everywhere. Citing commissioners are out of control, world-wide, and under no supervision by the IRB. That's what leads to real problems with things like l'Affaire Tincu, amongst others. And if the IRB isn't going to step in to sort it out, then there really is no alternative but to sort it out the nasty way.

At the very least, there should be a requirement on all citing commissions to produce publicly the evidence on which they rely to give a suspension at the time they hand down the decision.

It's not anti-Aussie, it's not anti-anyone; the game needs citing, and it needs proper citing that everyone trusts. Bad citing is worse than none. We know; the tit-for-tat shit up here culminated in an accusation of racism against a Munster player after an Ospreys player was cited for biting. So vile an accusation was it that the ERC made the unheard-of statement of coming out and saying that the supposed words were never said, and then changed the citing rules so there was an independent citing commissioner separate from the teams who took over the citing role. Which is a start, but there needs to be oversight of the decision-makers as well.

 

[PaarlBok]

Thomo thanks for that and even a jappie like myself understand that. Saw Bakkies wont appeal and hopefull this will settle things.

We're not that anti Aussie, we like you a lot otherwise we wont come here.

Its all Cyc's fault, he is the one that started the joking. :lmao:

 

[Pfitzy]

I've met ... legal ... cretin ... s

Is there any other kind? 8)

 

[Lindommer]

You can't deny that citings are not consistent across competitions; and to make it clear, that applies everywhere. Citing commissioners are out of control, world-wide, and under no supervision by the IRB. That's what leads to real problems with things like l'Affaire Tincu, amongst others. And if the IRB isn't going to step in to sort it out, then there really is no alternative but to sort it out the nasty way.

At the very least, there should be a requirement on all citing commissions to produce publicly the evidence on which they rely to give a suspension at the time they hand down the decision.

It's not anti-Aussie, it's not anti-anyone; the game needs citing, and it needs proper citing that everyone trusts. Bad citing is worse than none. We know; the tit-for-tat shit up here culminated in an accusation of racism against a Munster player after an Ospreys player was cited for biting. So vile an accusation was it that the ERC made the unheard-of statement of coming out and saying that the supposed words were never said, and then changed the citing rules so there was an independent citing commissioner separate from the teams who took over the citing role. Which is a start, but there needs to be oversight of the decision-makers as well.

The tyranny of distance in the SH makes for a difficult citing process; the logistics of the Super competition are expensive enough without having two independent citing commissioners in each of the three countries. However, the current practice where the home country citing commissioner rules on infringements against his countrymen is a classic case of a bloke complaining to his mother-in-law about his wife's indiscretions. Not a good look.

When things get to the appeal level an independent tribunal comes into play: there's one from each country with a fresh official from the home country. On the matter of inconsistent rulings for similar offences there needs to be a table drawn up in the criminal code for those offences with built-in multipliers for repeat offenders. Then everyone can see a punch to the head gets three weeks, a boot to the head gets five, etc. A job for you, Thomo.

 

[Blue]

You can't deny that citings are not consistent across competitions; and to make it clear, that applies everywhere. Citing commissioners are out of control, world-wide, and under no supervision by the IRB. That's what leads to real problems with things like l'Affaire Tincu, amongst others. And if the IRB isn't going to step in to sort it out, then there really is no alternative but to sort it out the nasty way.

At the very least, there should be a requirement on all citing commissions to produce publicly the evidence on which they rely to give a suspension at the time they hand down the decision.

It's not anti-Aussie, it's not anti-anyone; the game needs citing, and it needs proper citing that everyone trusts. Bad citing is worse than none. We know; the tit-for-tat shit up here culminated in an accusation of racism against a Munster player after an Ospreys player was cited for biting. So vile an accusation was it that the ERC made the unheard-of statement of coming out and saying that the supposed words were never said, and then changed the citing rules so there was an independent citing commissioner separate from the teams who took over the citing role. Which is a start, but there needs to be oversight of the decision-makers as well.

The tyranny of distance in the SH makes for a difficult citing process; the logistics of the Super competition are expensive enough without having two independent citing commissioners in each of the three countries. However, the current practice where the home country citing commissioner rules on infringements against his countrymen is a classic case of a bloke appealing to his mother-in-law over his wife's indiscretions. Not a good look.

When things get to the appeal level an independent tribunal comes into play: there's one from each country with a fresh official from the home country. On the matter of inconsistent rulings for similar offences there needs to be a table drawn up in the criminal code for those offences with built-in multipliers for repeat offenders. Then everyone can see a punch to the head gets three weeks, a boot to the head gets five, etc. A job for you, Thomo.

I think distance is used as a lame excuse. Technology can largely overcome all issues except the time difference which can be dealt with.

There is lack of process and enforcing standards. That's more the problem.

In this case through the player seems to accept the suspension which is enough to indicate that whatever footage the commissioner received from Fox was mroe than adequate to prove his guilt.

 

[Pfitzy]

And on appeal we'll probably see a reduction to one or two weeks because appeals always seem to work :nta: