Australian Super Rugby 'Salary Cap' from 2012

[Scotty]

Not sure if this is that much different to what is occurring now just more formalised. They are actually trying to go away a little from the top up system by having the players negotiate first with the s15 side then come in with the top up negotiation. It will still be complicated and confusing but simpler than what we have now. Saying that they should go further and fund an addition 1m or so to each team and let them solely look after player negotiations. I guess the still want final control over the money spent and the ability to buy players from outside the code.

I doubt the 4.4 or 4.1 million is much different from what the teams spent on players now.

 

[liquor box]

I have never understood why the Franchises would get to pay the players with money the ARU gives them. Cut out the middle man and you get no salary cap cheats.

 

[Joe Mac]

This is a joke!

If they were really interested in spreading the talent among all the clubs they should create a draft not a salary cap. A draft would not only make sure the talent was spread evenly but it is another revenue raising opportunity as it would draw considerable media attention for the actual event in which the players were drafted. They could also hold it at a big venue and sell off the seats to corporates...

Secondly, this isn't Rugby league or AFL. This is a global game. The players in those codes have no where else to go so they have to stick around, even with depressed wages. In Rugby, why on earth would any player stick around for 20% of what they would be paid in Europe or Japan?

All our top players will head overseas and we will never be a hope of winning the Super 15...

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Joe, absolutely spot on. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[wolverine]

Will the ARU central contract, and Wallaby test match player payments, sit on top of this?

If the ARU scale player payments down to fit underneath a 4.1 million salary cap, players could well seek to play overseas or in the NRL, whose player payments could increase with a new Independent Commission (especially if they attract a larger broadcast rights deal). The proposed 4.1 million salary cap would allow a squad of 35 to be paid just over $117,000 on average.
In contrast, the NRL salary cap in 2011 is:
* $4.3 million for the Top 25 ($172,000 on average per player)
* an additional $350,000 for players outside the Top 25 who play in the NRL (so NSW Cup players).
* the Toyota Cup Under 20s salary cap is $250K for the Top 20, and an additional $50K for those who qualify and play.

In addition, the State of Origin payment is $12,500 per game; IIRC the Kangaroo test match payment is $5,000 per game (and I presume the All Stars game payment is as well), and the City Country payment s $1,000 per game.

 

[barbarian]

What are the players being paid now?

If this is a massive reduction then I would be worried, but without current figures for comparison its hard to make a call either way.

 

[liquor box]

Will the ARU central contract, and Wallaby test match player payments, sit on top of this?

If the ARU scale player payments down to fit underneath a 4.1 million salary cap, players could well seek to play overseas or in the NRL, whose player payments could increase with a new Independent Commission (especially if they attract a larger broadcast rights deal). The proposed 4.1 million salary cap would allow a squad of 35 to be paid just over $117,000 on average.
In contrast, the NRL salary cap in 2011 is:
* $4.3 million for the Top 25 ($172,000 on average per player)
* an additional $350,000 for players outside the Top 25 who play in the NRL (so NSW Cup players).
* the Toyota Cup Under 20s salary cap is $250K for the Top 20, and an additional $50K for those who qualify and play.

In addition, the State of Origin payment is $12,500 per game; IIRC the Kangaroo test match payment is $5,000 per game (and I presume the All Stars game payment is as well), and the City Country payment s $1,000 per game.

I think the cap needs to be higher, I think it is an advantage for the future for the game of Rugby to be known as a better paying sport than League, AFL and Soccer in Australia. I hate the thought of a promising junior player dreaming of switching codes away from Rugby because they think they will make more money, but I love the thought of it going the other way.

 

[OLDDOG]

Isn't shrinking fully-paid squad size a bad idea when the Super Rugby season is longer and injuries are already crippling teams? Or am I misreading that part of the deal? QUOTE]


couldnt agree more.

my basic maths on this is:

smaller squads + more games + more injuries in the new S15 format = smaller player pool + loss of $$$ talent overseas + weakest depth by nation = clusterfuck, ergo disaster. Beancounters running rugby now too, it can only end badly if there is no perspective.......

 

[TheTruth]

Sounds like our OZ players will seek out overseas contracts much earlier than what they have in the past. Might head back home for RWC years. It used to be that players would head OS aftyer they had represented Australia and were in the twilight of their career. This will change. Don't get me wrong players will still stive to represent OZ (for 2 reasons: desire and pride as well as increasing their contract price) but will really chase the $$$$$ in Europe and Japan - just my opinion !

 

[#1 Tah]

NSWRU decision to split into Waratahs Rugby and NSW Rugby looks a lot smarter now....

 

[Scotty]

Think some haven't read the proposal fully. There are still top ups over and above what the super club pays and I have no doubt there will still be wallaby match payments!

You can't compare rugby salaries to league or afl ones because you dint know what the top ups will be. The system is not that different to the current one!

A bit if calm please!

 

[waratahjesus]

Is there a problem with the talent spread anyway, some teams are better than others, but can you look at any position and say the top four in any position army at four different clubs?

 

[Godfrey]

I often say that the top four in any position army at four different clubs.

 

[darkhorse]

I think its a good idea. It's really not going far enough. 60k is to high for a minimum wage.

How many of you think that bottom 5 players in the tahs deserve 60k a year. Up for debate who they are, but is Jowitt & Anesi worth 60k a year?

The most important aspect of this is to allow the super franchises to retain players they really want not what the ARU wants. The ARU offered Waugh and Sharpe bugger all and I bet you the tahs and force would break the bank to retain those 2.

The top players will still stay, they will just spend less on the bottom feeders.

 

[waratahjesus]

the problem is, for those that watch a bit of league as well. the turn over of players is quite large, you get five or six core players and then you fill your team with youth, if the youth is successful and there contracts need upgrading they often move on to other clubs so the core group can be kept together, it results in the long run as a loss of loyalty and totally stuffs up the notion of keeping juniors.

if the force, rebels are going to be successful long term they need to have people from there own areas in there team that locals can get behind, where is the encentive to invest if you are getting spill from other teams that develop more juniors.

 

[TOCC]

the problem is, for those that watch a bit of league as well. the turn over of players is quite large, you get five or six core players and then you fill your team with youth, if the youth is successful and there contracts need upgrading they often move on to other clubs so the core group can be kept together, it results in the long run as a loss of loyalty and totally stuffs up the notion of keeping juniors.

if the force, rebels are going to be successful long term they need to have people from there own areas in there team that locals can get behind, where is the encentive to invest if you are getting spill from other teams that develop more juniors.

Remind me... where did these current and future NSW Waratahs debut?
Drew Mitchell, Ben Mowen, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Pat O'Connor, Dan Vickerman, Berrick Barnes, Brackin Karauria-Henry, Sosene Anesi, Ryan Cross, Brendan McKibbin and Sitaleki Timani?

 

[waratahjesus]

keep cheering qld home TOCC, it works for every team. including your beloved middle of the road qld i believe.

 

[TOCC]

keep cheering qld home TOCC, it works for every team. including your beloved middle of the road qld i believe.

naturally when people concede defeat on one point they attempt to turn the focus to another...

 

[Richo]

$60k is too high for the minimum? I disagree with that. We're talking about athletes playing at the (almost) highest level of their profession. Most will only get a few good years. $60k is perfectly reasonable, IMO.

 

[waratahjesus]

naturally when people concede defeat on one point they attempt to turn the focus to another...

i broke my point up, but i was referring to development of youth, feel free to bang on, does Chis Latham have the keys to brisbane yet?