Australian Rugby / RA

[Dan54]

^ hasn't been done that way for several (ten?) years now. The last player(s) I can think of who went where NZR said were two CruSadist 5/8's not named Dan Carter ~2012.

It's true, however, that all the players are contracted to NZR then "loaned" back the franchises. It's also true, however, that NZR only contract the players the franchises ask them to contract which is where, for example, Beaugan's next contract could get interesting.

Yep 2012 it finished, that was when players didn't have to play for their aereas, ie if you played in Mnawatu NPC you had to be available for Canes etc. They were never told where to go from what I remember, it was where they lived, that franchise had rights to area's players (uo to 28 players I think) .Can't remember details now, but I do know it cost my Canes some good players changing it!

NZR also pay coach (maybe an assistant) and Franchises pay for extras etc,ie whan Gatland came back to Chiefs a couple of years back, he was outside the NZR payments because he was still tied into Lions rugby tour the next year or so.
I will also add quite interested to see how Aus model works, as it obviously a bit different with the deal done with Tahs and commercial part. But the biggest thing I think is coaching recourses etc and how they used will be where the biggest benefit is. Players I don't think quite so much.

 

[Goosestep]

Am I the only one who thinks centralising isn’t the magic bullet to solve
our problems ?

Sure if we have good leadership at the top it might trickle down to all the franchises.. but let’s be honest
….

When in the last 20+ years have we had good leadership ??

 

[Adam84]

Am I the only one who thinks centralising isn’t the magic bullet to solve
our problems ?

Sure if we have good leadership at the top it might trickle down to all the franchises.. but let’s be honest
….

When in the last 20+ years have we had good leadership ??

It’s not the silver bullet, but it is one of the key pivotal pieces in a series of reforms required to resuscitate Australian Rugby.

 

[Wallaby Man]

Am I the only one who thinks centralising isn’t the magic bullet to solve
our problems ?

Sure if we have good leadership at the top it might trickle down to all the franchises.. but let’s be honest
….

When in the last 20+ years have we had good leadership ??

Maybe it’s the system that consistently makes people look like fools or the constraints they have to force effective change means they go the routes they wouldn’t have to go under a different system

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Tahs are playing a trial in Campbelltown next Friday

Against NSW Pasifika? Might make my way down for that game.

 

[Pfitzy]

Against NSW Pasifika? Might make my way down for that game.

That's the one.

 

[The Marketing Pigeon]

Billy Millard (Harlequins DOR) and Peter Horne (Current World Rugby Director of High Performance) two candidates named for DOR position who both have extensive experience for the position

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

Billy Millard (Harlequins DOR) and Peter Horne (Current World Rugby Director of High Performance) two candidates named for DOR position who both have extensive experience for the position

Horne would be a good get. Huge network.

 

[LeCheese]

Billy Millard (Harlequins DOR) and Peter Horne (Current World Rugby Director of High Performance) two candidates named for DOR position who both have extensive experience for the position

This is... actually pretty damn good

 

[Adam84]

I don't really understand the roles and responsibilities of the DOR so it’s hard to comment who is best.
Horne would be better for coordinating large events and pathway competitions, whereas Millard be better for a more direct involvement in coaching and player development.

 

[The Marketing Pigeon]

Millard currently assuming the role of “head coach” at Harlequins after they sent their head coach upstairs, so imagine he might give a bit more of a helping hand if they opt for Larkham as coach and might have advantages with assistant coaches he could bring

 

[molman]

I could be misremembering, but hasn't the language from Rugby Australia always been 'strategic alignment', with the media slapping the centralisation tag on it?

Strategic reset, high performance alignment.. lots of terms thrown around, but centralisation has definitely been spoken by Waugh and other people at RA. Doorn also used the term when the Waratah's signed up (so to speak), so I think it'd be incorrect to say that it's a media tag. The various unions used the word in their own letter to RA & the board.

 

[LeCheese]

Strategic reset, high performance alignment.. lots of terms thrown around, but centralisation has definitely been spoken by Waugh and other people at Rugby Australia. Doorn also used the term when the Waratah's signed up (so to speak), so I think it'd be incorrect to say that it's a media tag. The various unions used the word in their own letter to Rugby Australia & the board.

Fair enough, but my point is more that not much can probably be inferred from Herbert’s use of ‘alignment’, as it’s been used from the get go

 

[half]

What do we think the future will bring.

1] New thinking with new systems and structures, with a workable plan to leave Super Rugby.

2] New thinking, with changes made to existing management systems, working within existing systems and structures, staying in Super Rugby.

3] Minor changes to management structures, staying in Super Rugby.

 

[Dan54]

What do we think the future will bring.

1] New thinking with new systems and structures, with a workable plan to leave Super Rugby.

2] New thinking, with changes made to existing management systems, working within existing systems and structures, staying in Super Rugby.

3] Minor changes to management structures, staying in Super Rugby.

Probably mate, 2 would be my thinking, not usually huge changes needed or wanted?

 

[hoggy]

What do we think the future will bring.

1] New thinking with new systems and structures, with a workable plan to leave Super Rugby.

2] New thinking, with changes made to existing management systems, working within existing systems and structures, staying in Super Rugby.

3] Minor changes to management structures, staying in Super Rugby.

We can only hope it is number 1 or the game is pretty well fucked in this country.

 

[wamberal99]

Whatever helps us win the Bledisloe!!

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Whatever helps us win the Bledisloe!!

I can't even comprehend this. (not uncommon)

How would I react? Take a week of leave and just sit in the sun and enjoy...



Who am I kidding, I'd be obnoxious.

 

[Homer]

SO Herbert has said the third tier will happen but has to be club based (and could start next year). Sounds good in principal but broke clubs run by amateurs with no financial support from a licensed clubhouse or any ownership of their home ground makes no sense. Also how do standards improve if club players just end up playing the same footy but against different teams. If they make it a comp for the semifinalists from each state then we will end up like the EPL with only rich clubs having a chance to participate while others whither and die.
I agree with the sentiment but unless Twiggy drops in $20m and the clubs start becoming financially independent it cant survive.

 

[Adam84]

Also the 3rd tier club tournament that I’ve heard proposed will upset those outside of QLD and NSW.