Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Amateur rugby league is objectively worse than amateur union. When I was still slugging it out in subbies there were loads of lads around who were former league players and fans who played because it wasn't as rough.
Australian Rugby / RA
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hoggy
Nev Cottrell (35)
Mate I am so over it. (had a couple beers on the road)
I have loved rugby Union since I was a kid. yet my son is playing league on the (sunshine Coast), he goes to a state school 3000 kids yet rugby Union has no presence there.
We get it shoved down our throat how rugby is a global game, Super Fucking Global Rugby, We have Dolphins Membership for next year.
But what the fuck, Rugby doesn't need me its a GLOBAL game.
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Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
I hear your frustration, mate.
Joe King
Dave Cowper (27)
Step 1, RA make a deal with NZR to shift the RC to March-April where it will significantly overlap with the Six Nations. Include Fiji and Japan, and play a single round robin with a mid-competition break for travel rest.
Step 2. Shifting the RC from its current time-slot creates the space between the July and November Test windows for Australia to have its own genuine domestic competition with all their Test players available. Significantly, it would run head-to-head with the peek end of the NRL and AFL season. New Zealand can revamp their NPC with all their Test stars available in this space too.
Step 3. The trade-off for New Zealand agreeing to this shift is that NZ get just the two highly competitive Australian teams for SRP (Super Rugby Pacific): a combined Waratahs-Brumbies team and a combined Reds-Force-Rebels team. Having only two teams doesn’t bother Australian fans because they now have their own top-level domestic comp, and SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) will be a lot shorter. With only 9 SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) teams playing a single round robin plus finals, SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) would become a shorter but more intense competition, and fit neatly between the new RC and the July Tests with a week off between each of them.
The professional rugby structure for New Zealand and Australia would look as follows:
March-April — The Rugby Championship
April-June — SRP (Super Rugby Pacific)
July — Test rugby in Southern Hemisphere
August-October — Pro Domestic Comps
November — Test rugby in Northern Hemisphere
How’s that ;-)
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
That's an interesting infographic. Participation doesn't necessarily mean international success.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
NSW… and which is the other state?
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
You don’t say…
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Has some good points Joe, only trouble is it not just NZ and Aus who decide when RC is played, but also Argies and SA, and neither (or probably RA) would want RC played outside test window as they lose to many players? But like the idea that you trying to come up with solutions.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Actually you would be surprised how many kiwis did want to keep it, and still do to this day. I understand why RA and NZR both feel the need to keep Super , but there are as many kiwis who would just as soon as just have Super Aotearoa if not more than Aussies who liked the idea of super AU, don't ever mistake what you read on a few forum as being the majority view of any either countries' supporters. I have a good number of real rygby mates in Aus, who wouldn't think of going on a forum, but in general they don't like the the idea of a super AU being permanent. (not enough variety etc)
Rugrat
Darby Loudon (17)
Just to throw it out there. If you change the belief that the wallabies only improve by aus franchise performance in Super Rugby, to Australian eligible players performance globally, everything changes. Yes we need a strong competition for our local ( Australian based) players And Super rugby is that competition. But it’s not the pinnacle or only comp for Wallaby selection. With the new international comp and alignment of the domestic seasons internationally this will have a massive change on player availability for internationals. There will always be serious Finacial investment in the rich club comps in France for key positional talent. Your 4, 5, 8/6, 10 that are international quality will be playing club northern hemisphere As will truelly exceptional talent in other positions. NZ rugby simply won’t be able to afford and match the talent drain and continue to only pick all blacks from NZ based players. This will actually benefit our Super Rugby Teams As NZ clubs will be diluted. Super Rugby should still hold if not improve because all teams will be more competitive within the framework of that comp. Bottom line is you must align your development of Super Rugby and existing local club competitions to the future structure of World rugby internationals from 2026 not what it currently is today.
HogansHeros
Dave Cowper (27)
Thats because amateur rugby league essentially doesn't exist in seniors. Is there even an exclusively amateur comp?
Ive worked with plenty of blokes who pull on the boots on the weekend for their local league club, but only still do it cause they are getting $200-300 a game.
Wilson
Phil Kearns (64)
SA and Argentina want it moved to better fit their player's season with most of them playing in Europe now
Rugby bosses consider radical date switch for Wallabies
SANZAAR is discussing an overhaul of southern hemisphere rugby that could lead to the Rugby Championship Tests in March.
As far as the test window goes it's not a big deal, if the rugby championship moved the test window would move with it. The biggest issue for Australia and New Zealand is coming into the rugby championship without any preparation, they'd need some sort of warm up games beforehand, but there's not much time available.
stillmissit
Peter Johnson (47)
This sounds like a step in the right direction..
Kiss to headline latest Youth Rugby Coaching Forum
www.rugby.com.au
This sounds like a step in the right direction..
Kiss to headline latest Youth Rugby Coaching Forum
that's a great event that has been happening for years - ironically done independently of the unions (albeit with some of their support)
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I guess I havnt checked but I'd be pretty surprised if there was no amateur league...
It's pretty tiny.
I think largely it's because the game is so brutal. It's much harder on the body than rugby union so there isn't the same culture that drives subbies of people wanting to play for fun for potentially lots of years at a not very serious level.
The Ghost of Raelene
David Codey (61)
If you are playing League and not being paid you are a fucking idiot.
They have always been paid. It's the nature of what the sport came from.
They are also usually backed by a leagues club of some size that support them. Most sides in the Sydney Shield for example will have A grade and that's it. Only some of the really big ones like Wentworthville will have teams in multiple competitions like the Ron Massey as well. Country footy can be different. They may have reserve grade but they still get beer money.
They have always been paid. It's the nature of what the sport came from.
They are also usually backed by a leagues club of some size that support them. Most sides in the Sydney Shield for example will have A grade and that's it. Only some of the really big ones like Wentworthville will have teams in multiple competitions like the Ron Massey as well. Country footy can be different. They may have reserve grade but they still get beer money.
wamberal99
Jim Clark (26)
There used to be a University competition. Maybe not these days.
A mate of mine, many years ago, played what used to be called Junior League for Guildford. Only two or three of them got paid, my mate got the biggest wage. He was pretty good. He told me that he was expected to do a disproportionate share of the tackling, the other players made sure he did, too.
After the game he would meet the club manager who would take him to one of the poker machines, open it, and give him twenty quid!
He was a schoolteacher, and the extra money came in handy.
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