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Mark Ella (57)
Well if NZ don't sign him then we are a shoe in!
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Well if NZ don't sign him then we are a shoe in!
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Peter Johnson (47)
There appears to be a similarity between Ronan O'Gara guess at the presentation that Razor would have given and the one McQueen gave. In McQueens case the complaints were too corporate, too slick and too radical. In Razors case it was most probably too radical for the commitee.Unfortunately I think this may eventuate, NZ Rugby aren't going to admit their mistake any time soon.
Ronan O'Gara wrote this great piece about Robertson right after Foster was appointed in 2019, he really highlights how much of a missed opportunity it was at the time & he's only been proven correct since...
Ronan O'Gara: Razor didn’t fall short at all in All Blacks bid
Being a strong advocate of Scott Robertson to replace Steve Hansen as All Blacks coach does not mean Ian Foster is not the right fit in my eyes.www.irishexaminer.com
Irrespective how I word this, it will be interpreted incorrectly by some.
Being a strong advocate of Scott Robertson to replace Steve Hansen as All Blacks coach does not mean Ian Foster is not the right fit in my eyes.
But — there’s always a but — I can’t help feeling that the New Zealand Rugby hierarchy has missed a trick here.
Timing is everything, they say, and the timing for ‘Razor’ to assume the most prestigious post of his career was absolutely perfect.
He is a brilliant coach, a brilliant people person, and when Sam Whitelock returns from his gap year in Japan, he would have had a brilliant chemistry with his captain moving towards the next World Cup.
When I heard Razor hadn’t got the job, I started wondering where did he fall short? Of course, he didn’t fall short at all.
The NZRU clearly were looking for something different. Continuity? Experience? But what have they given up?
Razor’s vision for the All Blacks is something the players and the country will miss going forward.
I’d love to have seen his presentation, because rest assured, it would have been innovative and progressive and something the interview board would not have seen before. Perhaps too much so.
Maybe ‘falling short’ amounted to being too ‘out there’ for decision-makers in the NZRU, and I am only surmising here.
Rugby and society are changing so fast nowadays, it’s hard to keep up if you are in your twenties, never mind forty-something coaches like Razor and I. But he gets it.
He connects brilliantly with players 20 years younger than him. I believe that should be a pre-requisite for getting a job like this.
He just makes the game so enjoyable. Being in an All Black camp with Razor would have been a fun place to be.
Of course, there’s no reason to assume it won’t be like that under Ian Foster.
Those underwhelmed by his appointment point to the ‘sameness’ of the new set-up, but that does not take into consideration the player turnover in that time.
Foster is 54, he was clearly not ‘the people’s choice’, but that perception is very easily changed when you are racking up the W’s.
I worked closely with Scott Robertson for two years, so I am biased. It is argued that one of his main shortcomings is a lack of international test experience.
That’s an impossible argument to win either way but consider two things here — No 1, that is a stick used to beat a player, not a coach who has dominated the game in the southern hemisphere for three years.
And secondly, two thirds of the NZ team are his own Crusaders, many of them he has developed into All Black leaders.
Razor’s ability to get the best out of the remainder of the group when they pull on the black jersey is beyond dispute when you’ve seen him work at close quarters.
Where does he excel? His abilities in the area of people interaction and connection are off the charts. He stokes players’ passion, their identity, and their focus.
I saw all those things first hand in Christchurch and I think he would even ramp it up had he been the new All Blacks coach.
I do wonder was Razor even over the heads of some of the decision-makers in this process? I don’t mean that in a pejorative way, but he thinks fresh and he thinks different.
Maybe that scared some folk.
You assume Robertson wants to coach the Wallabies. I'm not so sure he would want it. Based on the past 10-12 years, the Wallabies' gig does not look too enticing. The real picture is improving the structure of coaching through all the levels so there is some sort of coherent plan; this is what NZ did so well to ensure players moving from one level to the next would adapt and perform more easily.
Anyway, nothing against Robertson, he's obviously a very good coach. If I'm wrong then you can all tell me so. I just don't see it happening.
Sword of Justice
Arch Winning (36)
This is Schroedinger's forum given the current and likely to continue uncertainty of many, many, coaching positions. Refraining from discussing any and all possibilities is equally as pointless as musing about them.
A mutterer
Chilla Wilson (44)
so you're saying you agree with me and that a part of you wants to embrace eddie, our saviour and RWC winning factor?
That's ok, it's all good
stillmissit
Peter Johnson (47)
Don't worry we all will.......
stillmissit
Peter Johnson (47)
But the Cat was alive last time I looked!!!!!
Tomthumb
Chilla Wilson (44)
It's not zero though is it. He has already stated this will be his last season with the Crusaders and he wants an international job, he wants to win a World Cup with 2 separate nations. If the AB's pass him up again for Schmidt or Joseph or any of the other more corporate coaches they prefer, the only Tier 1 nation available will be Australia
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Peter Johnson (47)
Robertson will have signed with someone before the RWC. I read a report on Eddie's demise yesterday saying that countries are not waiting until the end of the cup and are signing contracts before to ensure they get who they want. They said NZ waited until after the last? Cup and only had 2 applicants. Had a look but couldn't find the article.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Of course the other leg to that argument: it is Test experience which looks good on a CV. And, let's face it, the expectations from the international community around our current standing mean the win ratio isn't that important.
Deans, Cheika, Jones - all of them are post-Macqueen Wallabies coaches who are still getting around as pro coaches.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Hey piss off the Renegades need a coach!
The Ghost of Raelene
Simon Poidevin (60)
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
It is quite capable of destroying itself, but at least it'll do it with a rated coach
stillmissit
Peter Johnson (47)
With NZ appearing to not want Robertson and he wants an international gig, How many tier one teams have an opening? The only one could be England if they bring on Borthwick to take them to the RWC and sign Robertson to 2024, I can't imagine them doing something this radical but who knows? This has all the hallmarks of Deans becoming Wallaby's coach.
Sign Robertson now for post RWC.
Sign Robertson now for post RWC.
Surely we don't have the finances to sign Eddie? Not just from a salary position (likely creating a whole new position for him) but also just for a budget to give him? Didn't he massively overspend with the RFU? At least they had the resources to cover him. We don't.
But the media profile he could provide....that would be interesting. Just give him access to the RA twitter account perhaps?
But the media profile he could provide....that would be interesting. Just give him access to the RA twitter account perhaps?
LeCheese
Greg Davis (50)
Not even Eddie can hold a candle to Rugby Australia's Marketing Pigeon
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
The money aspect is interesting. Maybe he's got enough? At the end of the day he is an Aussie, maybe love of country will trump love of lucre?
The Ghost of Raelene
Simon Poidevin (60)
He's also always mentioned his love of League. He probably will never have a better chance to be involved if a team was interested. Could see him being a consultant for someone. No long-term commitment for when he gets another offer.
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Peter Johnson (47)
Nothing trumps his ego and need for money, resources and constant attention.
The ARU has a history of doing exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time.