I didn't mean problem - poor choice of words on my part. 'A rugby-only phenomenon' would be a better way of putting it.
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I didn't mean problem - poor choice of words on my part. 'A rugby-only phenomenon' would be a better way of putting it.
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kiap
Steve Williams (59)
^ Okay, barbarian, fair enough.
I do agree that the corporate model is somewhat of a mismatch as it is now being applied to sport (if that indeed was one of your points).
I mean, talking about watching the problems that all major sports are experiencing, and learning from the mistakes … Corporate sports are likely to cock that up as well.
Look at the FFA's sacking of the women's coach based on some HR survey of players finding the training methods tough.
That's two coaches in a row for this team now ousted after a player revolt (the previous coach was a woman) and it's divided the team, with many players still in support of the coach.
No suggestion of "Me too" behaviour or any unlawful misconduct and Alen Stajcic gets his contract paid out.
There's no issue punting failed coaches; it happens every week. This was the all-time most successful coach.
I do agree that the corporate model is somewhat of a mismatch as it is now being applied to sport (if that indeed was one of your points).
I mean, talking about watching the problems that all major sports are experiencing, and learning from the mistakes … Corporate sports are likely to cock that up as well.
Look at the FFA's sacking of the women's coach based on some HR survey of players finding the training methods tough.
That's two coaches in a row for this team now ousted after a player revolt (the previous coach was a woman) and it's divided the team, with many players still in support of the coach.
No suggestion of "Me too" behaviour or any unlawful misconduct and Alen Stajcic gets his contract paid out.
There's no issue punting failed coaches; it happens every week. This was the all-time most successful coach.
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David Wilson (68)
I can only agree with this. The RA structure is a problem, independence and not having "people with skin in the game" is an issue for me. It is compounded by NSW and Qld effectively dictating whether RA can be held to account, and they have not always been well in control of themselves let alone being able to call in RA.
True. While we can point to individual failings (and there are no doubt plenty) it may be the structure more broadly is the real problem.
The answer isn't going back to the way things were, as that had its problems too. And there is no perfect solution.
You'd think there has to be a middle ground between 'wholly independent Board with no skin in the game' and 'representative board with way too much skin in the game'.
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Same here Hugh. Read the same book and came up with the same thoughts.
This model was largely pushed by the Australian Sports Commission to the threat of withdrawn funding. Stunning.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
Speaking of reviews. Looks like the Arbib review as well as all of the pre-2015 annual reports have been taken down off the RA website.
Unless it's been moved somewhere new?
Unless it's been moved somewhere new?
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
Was a recommendation of the 2012 Arbib review, sports commision requirements were around the same time
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...w/news-story/1bc65b19c4d93575bcc3171e91a420a7
So it appears they have been taken down. No idea why this was necessary. Just another example of things being behind closed doors for no discernable reason.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
Until pretty recently, the ARU were pretty tansperant as far as these things go. Lots of docs available on the website, they split their budgets out in the finance section far more than the NZRU as an example. You could get even more off the https://www.clearinghouseforsport.gov.au/ website.
Unfortunate that seems to be changing now. Bad sign
Unfortunate that seems to be changing now. Bad sign
NZR Secondary School Rugby Review
A very interesting document with some similar issues to Australian Rugby / Schools Rugby.
http://files.allblacks.com/community-rugby/NZR-Secondary-School-Rugby-Review-Report.pdf
A very interesting document with some similar issues to Australian Rugby / Schools Rugby.
http://files.allblacks.com/community-rugby/NZR-Secondary-School-Rugby-Review-Report.pdf
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Peter Johnson (47)
Look the main reason NFP keep old financials on their website is because they are too lazy to take them down. Also if you looked at the number of people that downloaded a copy of four year old and greater financials it would be bugger all. If you are really interested you can ask for a copy or get one from ASIC (it'll just cost you $17).
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
More recently, the financials provided in the web version reports became the watered down variants for the plebs, anyway - able to be perused two pages at a time.
I admire this method. Add on a $17 to $45 fee and the effectiveness is really great.
It's true that the older the annual reports become, the less interesting the financials are. But the other stuff actually becomes more interesting.
For quickly accessible open information generally, the period from the early nineties to early noughties goes a through mini "dark age". Rugby is included in this. The number of resources commercially locked up increase and the interwebs haven't really kicked in at that stage.
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George Smith (75)
It's not just an Australasian thing:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/i...-to-other-social-classes-claims-stephen-jones
Jones is a troll on just about all things South of the equator but generally more inciteful (& less hyperbolic) in NH matters.
It goes to my earlier point about transparency, and the increasing reluctance of sporting codes to show the wider public what they are doing and why.
Yet another example comes this week with the FFA and the saga around the coach of the Matildas. They've sacked him, but won't tell anybody why. You've got FFA Board members briefing journalists, unsubstantiated allegations floating around, and at the centre of it all a number of players and a coach who appear to have no clue why this has all happened.
I restate my point - the model is broken. I don't think we need to livestream board meetings, or allow members of the public to have full access to all financial records, but there needs to be a bias towards disclosing this information rather than against it, as seems to be the case at the moment.
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kiap
Steve Williams (59)
Indeed.
The Matildas coaching caper got a brief mention up the thread, but something that really focuses the mind is the Banking inquiry. That's the corporate blueprint now rolled out onto Australian sports.
It's the Hubcap Model - gleaming chrome on top, layers and layers of shit underneath.
To get that pristine shine? Obfuscate, deny and hide … cover the arse, and lie while you can. Ultimately the mug punters –shareholders, customers, dot dot dot – get to pay the tab.
I disagree, because really there isn't much shit at all. The annual report thing is a case in point - it's not like they are hiding dirty laundry. They are old annual reports, which if anything are too bland.
There is no discernible reason to take these down, and it's secrecy for it's own sake.
I think comparisons to the banking sector are a bit unfair, as IMO there isn't anything nefarious going on within these organisations. No corruption or million dollar bonuses. Yes they might do things we don't agree with, but that's different to what the banks were doing. It makes the secrecy even harder to understand.
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Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
I wonder if they didn't take to kindly to the research us mug punters were able to do into the historical finances during the Senate inquiry.
I agree with you though, the finances are the least interesting bit of the old annual reports. They're historical documents which could and should be made easily available to anyone who wants a look. They should publish as many old ones as they have in the archive (I know there's digital versions into the 80s at least - they were on the clearing house for sport website)
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
Righto. Let's go though some of these …
- A $7.5 million tax concession from the ACT government goes to the benefit of a private property developer instead of ACT Brumbies Rugby.