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Australian Rugby / RA

noscrumnolife

noscrumnolife

Bill Watson (15)
As a big roosters fan and someone who has watched Chief Joe Sua'ali'i play a lot (57 games and he's not even 21), I am pretty confident he will go better in Union than League. He is a power athlete who will suit the way modern Test Rugby is played quite well, absolute battering ram and built like a brick shithouse. In fact, I would say his biggest problem in League is that he looks for contact too much. Which is a rare quality in a 20 year old. However, that is less of an issue in the more crowded 15 man game.
 
The_Brown_Hornet

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
hifflepiff said:
There are no options - professional rugby in Australia is currently in the middle of a death spiral.

We can't stick with Super because it's a terrible product and we don't have enough upfront capital to go with domestic, which would be the better option long term.
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Oh well, better just fold up the card table shut the sport down then eh?
 
Derpus

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
hifflepiff said:
There are no options - professional rugby in Australia is currently in the middle of a death spiral.

We can't stick with Super because it's a terrible product and we don't have enough upfront capital to go with domestic, which would be the better option long term.
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300m from Lions, RWC to follow, reportedly 50m in regular petro-dollar payments and a new TV deal to negotiate.

Sell out to Twiggy for a few hundred million and we have just short of a billion dollars in capital potentially available over the next five years.

Super Rugby ends in our death. We all know it. Go big or go home I say.
 
hoggy

hoggy

Nev Cottrell (35)
Derpus said:
300m from Lions, RWC to follow, reportedly 50m in regular petro-dollar payments and a new TV deal to negotiate.
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And I'd bet my house on it they'll still be broke at the end of that, here we come a Saudi backed RWC every year, promise we'll fund the grassroots just need a few more $dollars.

The more they chase those global pots of gold I guarantee you one thing the less people back home that will give a shit.
 
Derpus

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
hoggy said:
And I'd bet my house on it they'll still be broke at the end of that, here we come a Saudi backed RWC every year, promise we'll fund the grassroots just need a few more $dollars.

The more they chase those global pots of gold I guarantee you one thing the less people back home that will give a shit.
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I mean yeah. I fully expect RA to limp to financial salvation now, only to blow it all and declare bankruptcy in 10 years.

I'm just saying that with a little vision and balls the potential is there. A domestic competition with properly aligned development pathways combined with a champions cup typed comp with NZ and Japan.

A man can dream, anyway...
 
hoggy

hoggy

Nev Cottrell (35)
Derpus said:
I mean yeah. I fully expect RA to limp to financial salvation now, only to blow it all and declare bankruptcy in 10 years.

I'm just saying that with a little vision and balls the potential is there. A domestic competition with properly aligned development pathways combined with a champions cup typed comp with NZ and Japan.

A man can dream, anyway...
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I'm with you a 1000% I've argued that for 10 years now, but made to feel like some outcast family every time its mentioned. a 2nd NSW team NEVER in a thousand years but hell yeah a Saudi backed nations cup, that will save us FFS.
 
eastman

eastman

John Solomon (38)
Derpus said:
I'm just saying that with a little vision and balls the potential is there. A domestic competition with properly aligned development pathways combined with a champions cup typed comp with NZ and Japan.

A man can dream, anyway...
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The potential is there with Super Rugby Trans- Tasman already. A professional and properly managed and marketed (the Aussie sides really need to lift here) competition should and has been fantastic.

The NZ teams have history and prestige. This is going to offend some folk around here, but a competitive Waratahs game against the Blues or Crusaders is always going to be more appealing than a game against the Force or Rebels (and that’s not a bad thing).

Rugby Australia has dropped the ball entirely when it’s come to the management of the franchises; how have the Waratahs been allowed to become so irrelevant in the Sydney sporting market?
 
Tomikin

Tomikin

David Codey (61)
hoggy said:
Oops, sorry I get a bit confused with all the suitors running around who are gonna save our Rugby.
Japan, Saudi, USA, Qatar it seems to change weekly.
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I'm not saying this will save Rugby, but do you think the League of Nations isn't a good thing? Don't you want to be playing for something important across the world? Isn't this the step towards the global calendar? Do you not want the money, isn't that one of our problems at the moment?
 
sunnyboys

sunnyboys

Bob Loudon (25)
Pone's Mullet said:
$100m coming into the bank. But can’t support 5 teams, another sign the lunatics are running the asylum
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They will owe most of that to the lender of the $80m loan we are living off. Last I saw we had spent $45m of it and still have 12 months to the Lions tour. We won’t have much left over once we clear the debt. Maybe $30m of it.
 
Derpus

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
eastman said:
The potential is there with Super Rugby Trans- Tasman already. A professional and properly managed and marketed (the Aussie sides really need to lift here) competition should and has been fantastic.

The NZ teams have history and prestige. This is going to offend some folk around here, but a competitive Waratahs game against the Blues or Crusaders is always going to be more appealing than a game against the Force or Rebels (and that’s not a bad thing).

Rugby Australia has dropped the ball entirely when it’s come to the management of the franchises; how have the Waratahs been allowed to become so irrelevant in the Sydney sporting market?
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How many years of consistent failure and tens of thousands of lost fans will you need to accept this is not the case?
 
WorkingClassRugger

WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)
sunnyboys said:
They will owe most of that to the lender of the $80m loan we are living off. Last I saw we had spent $45m of it and still have 12 months to the Lions tour. We won’t have much left over once we clear the debt. Maybe $30m of it.
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If this deal is signed off that just shy of $160m over 8 years from 2026. That's just from one game every two years and just from this sponsorship/hosting deal. The Lions in 2017 made $28.8m for NZR so I'd be expecting similar returns for our edition. The RWC should make at least double that. That's not including whatever broadcasting deal they manage for the Nations Championship (of which I would hope is multiples of the £800m) and the apparent gate split that will be part of it. If RA cannot manage to dig itself out of it's current hole and get shit back on track with up to $500m in potential additional revenue that currently doesn't over the next 8 or so years then they should shut it down now.
 
eastman

eastman

John Solomon (38)
Derpus said:
How many years of consistent failure and tens of thousands of lost fans will you need to accept this is not the case?
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It’s a terribly managed competition- mainly from the Australian teams.

Rugby Australia needs some of the ruthless commercialism of AFL and NRL.
 
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