Australian Rugby / RA

[Dan54]

Rugby Australia begin discussions with Jones about future role

Eddie Jones and Rugby Australia boss Hamish McLennan spoke informally on Saturday in the biggest hint yet the organisation is keen to bring the sacked England coach home.

www.smh.com.au

Moaning Herald spoke to Hamish McLennan and he spoke to Eddie about getting him back to Australia - nothing certain about in what role but looks like Rugby Australia starting the groundwork

Personally I prefer that kind of stuff is kept out of papers as it does nothing but appear to undermine Rennie. Isn't it better to let things lie, and actually wait until there something to say?

 

[stillmissit]

Dan, contrary to others I think he will keep his job and finish his contract after the RWC, I am sure he is putting his resume out there.
Eddie's return doesn't fill me with joy, in fact, exactly the opposite. ARU burning cash again?
There is no consolation in the certain fact that I will be dead before we win the Bledisloe again!

 

[stillmissit]

Im curious as to you preferred newspaper?

None, they are all crap! Some ie Moaning Herald are more crap than most. Haven't bought one in over 20 years.

 

[Tomthumb]

Personally I prefer that kind of stuff is kept out of papers as it does nothing but appear to undermine Rennie. Isn't it better to let things lie, and actually wait until there something to say?

To be fair none of this would be happening if Rennie won more games. If he doesn't want to be undermined, don't lose 65% of your games

 

[Derpus]

None, they are all crap! Some ie Moaning Herald are more crap than most. Haven't bought one in over 20 years.

Checked my post and, yep, didn't ask you.

 

[stillmissit]

Checked my post and, yep, didn't ask you.

Wasn't replying to you alone.

 

[wamberal]

Wasn't replying to you alone.

Plenty of gloom to go around, eh?

 

[stillmissit]

Plenty of gloom to go around, eh?

Too much for me Wamberal, that's why I chose not to spend my time reading about the dead and the dying, combined with whatever madness is popular at this time.
At least the ARU could do something with this bunch of players and lift our spirits, assuming we have an S&C group that can keep them fit and not have a huge amount of lower leg injuries, far more than I have ever seen or heard of before. How many Achilles tendon ruptures have there been?
Depending on which coach they choose of course.

 

[BDA]

I don't have a strong view on who the next wallabies coach should be but I'm pretty confident RA will be wanting to appoint a formidable coaching team with strong credentials from 2024 leading up to the world cup and there doesn't seem to be a lot of options in that regard. I'm not sold on Eddie, for some of the reasons already mentioned on this thread, but I do see value in having him involvement in the world cup campaign, particularly if we are going with someone like McKellar taking the reigns. Having him in a consultancy role assisting a team of McKellar (head coach / Larkham (assistant coach) could be a good team. I question whether Eddie's ego, and RA's cheque book, will allow that but Eddie might actually like that idea of have a part time presence over the next 4 years while he also pursues some other ambitions. He keeps talking about his interest in coaching league but I can't imagine he's going to get a job as head coach of an NRL side any time soon. He'd probably have to come in as an assistant coach / in a consultant role, so having a part time role with the wallabies might suit him .

 

[rodha]

I don't have a strong view on who the next wallabies coach should be but I'm pretty confident Rugby Australia will be wanting to appoint a formidable coaching team with strong credentials from 2024 leading up to the world cup and there doesn't seem to be a lot of options in that regard. I'm not sold on Eddie, for some of the reasons already mentioned on this thread, but I do see value in having him involvement in the world cup campaign, particularly if we are going with someone like McKellar taking the reigns. Having him in a consultancy role assisting a team of McKellar (head coach / Larkham (assistant coach) could be a good team. I question whether Eddie's ego, and Rugby Australia's cheque book, will allow that but Eddie might actually like that idea of have a part time presence over the next 4 years while he also pursues some other ambitions. He keeps talking about his interest in coaching league but I can't imagine he's going to get a job as head coach of an NRL side any time soon. He'd probably have to come in as an assistant coach / in a consultant role, so having a part time role with the wallabies might suit him.

Razor (head coach), Eddie Jones (technical advisor), Scott Wisemantel (attack), Simon Cron (forwards), Laurie Fisher (defence).

 

[Ignoto]

Razor (head coach), Eddie Jones (technical advisor), Scott Wisemantel (attack), Simon Cron (forwards), Laurie Fisher (defence).

No way RA turfs out their next apparent heir in McKellar.

I do think that coaching team could be very useful and the guidance Eddie and Laurie can give Razor would be invaluable. I just don't see it happening.

 

[Derpus]

No way Rugby Australia turfs out their next apparent heir in McKellar.

I do think that coaching team could be very useful and the guidance Eddie and Laurie can give Razor would be invaluable. I just don't see it happening.

Weird how they seem to nominate heirs.

 

[D'Lite Full]

I haven't read the whole thread but stats tell a bit of a story about the players:

1. Inability to back up. Physical.
2. Inconsistency in closing out matches. Mental.

Rennie's Record overall is now 34 matches, 13 wins, 18 losses and 3 draws.

By year:

2020 - P6, 1W, 2L and 3D. Average score 13.83 v 23.16. Results blown out by two losses to ABs by 20 and 38 within 6 days of each other.

2021 - P14, 7 W, 7L. Average score 25.36 v 26.71. Another blow out v AB by 35 backing up 7 days after losing opening Bledisloe. Another bad loss to England on tour by 15-32 backing up six days from narrow loss to Scotland.

2022 - P14, 5 W, 9L. Average score 23.36 v 27.71. Blow out v Argentina by 31 points backing up after 7 days of beating them 41-26. Flogged 40-14 by NZ nine days after narrow 37-39 loss.

During Rennie's tenure, he has used a large number of players - often due to injury but is he looking for players who can back up? That is what is required in the RWC. There have been 6 blow outs by 20+ including four from NZ. Most of them within a week of previous game where we looked competitive.

Including 3 draws, the Wallabies have had 15 matches when the result is 3 points or less. Very frustrating that 6 were wins and 6 were losses.
One other win (Wales in 2022) by 5 points and a loss (to England in 2022 by 4 points) makes it 17 matches (50%) where we so close.

What hurts? Losing to the ABs by big scores in 4 out of last 9 games, losing series to England and losing to Italy are all black marks.

So Wallabies fans, hang in there. Recency bias is influencing how we see Dave Rennie as a coach with 2022 a relative failure compared to 2021.

But with our best team on the field, we will be right up there in 2023.

 

[Tazzmania]

Injuries are part and parcel of a contact sport and while we have had more than our fair share of them we seem to be developing depth by being under fire rather than a coordinated plan.

Rennie's back to the future policies seem to be indicative that he only wants to get through his tenure and good luck to whoever follows.

Other issues:

1) Loleslio manangement, this subject has been covered inifinitum and no more needs to added.

2) Backrow stocks, Fergus Lee Warner totally ignored, Wilson given little bread crumbs and keeps getting tossed, McReight only given opportunity when hands were forced.

3) Full back, Subject has been covered infinitum.

4) If the Brumbies could not win super rugby why did they make up the bulk of the team selections, suerly that combination of players were not the right fit at this level

 

[Tomikin]

Injuries are part and parcel of a contact sport and while we have had more than our fair share of them we seem to be developing depth by being under fire rather than a coordinated plan.

Rennie's back to the future policies seem to be indicative that he only wants to get through his tenure and good luck to whoever follows.

Other issues:

1) Loleslio manangement, this subject has been covered inifinitum and no more needs to added.

2) Backrow stocks, Fergus Lee Warner totally ignored, Wilson given little bread crumbs and keeps getting tossed, McReight only given opportunity when hands were forced.

3) Full back, Subject has been covered infinitum.

4) If the Brumbies could not win super rugby why did they make up the bulk of the team selections, suerly that combination of players were not the right fit at this level

We can't go and select crusaders players now, could we?

at the start of the season, I didn't hear too many complaints about the selections. Who would you drop from the Brumbies team, and who would you have selected (who hasn't been tried and came up wanting?)

 

[rodha]

Who would you drop from the Brumbies team, and who would you have selected (who hasn't been tried and came up wanting?)

Fainga'a (BPA), Lolesio (Pasitoa), Banks (Pietsch).

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

Mismanagement of players by coaches is just an excuse for a player not stepping up to the mark. If he played well and did what the coach asked he would continue to be selected.

 

[Slim 293]

4) If the Brumbies could not win super rugby why did they make up the bulk of the team selections, suerly that combination of players were not the right fit at this level

I agree, they should have selected more players from the teams that finished ahead of them…

 

[Confucius Say]

Fainga'a (BPA), Lolesio (Pasitoa), Banks (Pietsch).

Pietsch? That’s funny

 

[Slim 293]

Fainga'a (BPA), Lolesio (Pasitoa), Banks (Pietsch).

You’ve got one player ineligible, one player unavailable through injury, and another who doesn’t play the relevant position…

Fantastic insight, once again.

I’m sure if Eddie or Razor were in charge, they would’ve thrown Pasitoa in against England.