Australian Rugby / RA

[Dan54]

That’s not how it’s being reported...Dan
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...at-in-the-wallabies-ring-20181129-p50j1z.html

Ok my bad mate, I read that White cancelled it, but since read opposite.

 

[Quick Hands]

It’s already been said, but I guess we will “go round again” many times on this topic.

Jones would not be a bad stop gap plan. Unfortunately the indications are he wants more than 2019 and the RWC. Now he MIGHT be the right guy for the medium term, but the only way to gauge this is more thorough investigation checklist g out the availability post RWC.

I’m over short term reactions at RA.

I’m not enthused by Jake-ball as a new Australian style, though I’d cope for a year getting back to basics. Cheika locked in a one-sided deal when he had all the power. Let’s not repeat with Jake (or anyone).

Agree, RA should be starting the process of finding a coach for 2019 now - which is why they should have at the very least had a discussion with Jake White. I'm still baffled as to why a major sporting organisation would refuse to talk by telephone to a man who would be one of the people that they would look at to fill the role. I'd hope they'd be also talking to others as well. The cancellation of the call isn't the mark of a well run organisation, it indicates a reactive approach without an overarching strategy - which has been the hallmark of ARU/RA administration for at least a decade.

I also think that JW has worked out the Australian rugby played are so underskilled in the fundamental core skills that basis is needed. That almost every Australian player who goes to Europe/UK improves fitness and skills is an indictment on ARU/RA coaching an player development programmes.

We haven't made the top 4 at the under 20s RWC since 2011 and it's not the raw talent that's stopping that, it's the coaching and development system. (including the development of coaches)

 

[formerflanker]

Part of Alan Jones' weekly column in The Australian today:
“And where would we find (RA leaders) right now? On the corporate alickadoo teat, winging their way, first class, to London for the autumn series and lunch at the Ritz."

Is this hyper-bowl, or do Castle and Clyne really fly 1st class?
I'd be spitting chips if that is the case.
Think of the development officers and tackling bags for grassroots rugby that could be purchased with the difference between business and 1st class fares.

 

[formerflanker]

A further comment by AJ that bears on what is being discussed here:
"Word is they (Castle and Clyne) will insist on coaching changes. Word has it that Rod Kafer and Ben Whitaker are putting together two lists of coaches for the board to look at.
But how are Kafer, Whitaker, Clyne or Castle fit to judge Michael Cheika or his replacement?
It beggars belief.
Kafer lasted less than a year when he was once a coach. Whitaker heads up our low-performing High Performance Unit."
Ouch.

 

[The Honey Badger]

We haven't made the top 4 at the under 20s RWC since 2011 and it's not the raw talent that's stopping that, it's the coaching and development system. (including the development of coaches)

New Zealand under performed this year as well at U20.

As for the current No. 1 rugby playing nation according to Hansen. IRELAND U20 had the humiliation of playing 11/12 playoff against Japan for relegation to 2nd teir.

I don't know if U20 is a really good indicator for the National team.

The final was between France and England. Won by the home team France. What U20 does show is that the Northern hemisphere teams have caught up to and now might be stronger than the South.

I actually think at both levels, there is not too much between any of the top teams, and on their day anyone can beat anyone. Just what you want at Test level.

 

[Slim 293]

Alan Jones is alot of thing, and I mean alot.

One thing he isn't though is stupid.

I think Rugby Australia could do alot worse than listen to some of his suggestions.

Do not forget he coached a Grand-Slam winning Wallabies side, he is no nuffy.

I’m not sure his singular success in rugby a lifetime ago, and this alleged intelligence really makes up for the long list of horrible qualities he possesses.........

So no, he should be completely ignored if RA want to hang onto any shred of credibility.

Any opinion he spews up is likely built on a foundation of lies, poor research misinterpreted, more lies, fake statistics, and prejudices.

 

[southsider]

I’m not sure his singular success in rugby a lifetime ago, and this alleged intelligence really makes up for the long list of horrible qualities he possesses...

So no, he should be completely ignored if RA want to hang onto any shred of credibility.

Any opinion he spews up is likely built on a foundation of lies, poor research misinterpreted, more lies, fake statistics, and prejudices.

Kinda seems like you’re letting some personal bias cloud your judgement

I also happen to think he is fairly switched on and MAY provide some valuable insight, enough to warrant some level of consideration

 

[gel]

I think that Alan Jones' appointment as coach might suck for some.

The dropped phone call with Jake White is just plain weird. I really can't fathom how it's taking place was dependent on it remaining out of the broader public's awareness.

Anyhoo, I doubt RA will drop Cheika anyway, there is no spine there.

 

[Strewthcobber]

I've got this crazy idea that maybe we could.look at appointing a professional rugby coach with a recent history of success.

Given we are one year out from a world cup and good team's tactics are changing almost weekly, ideally it'd be someone involved at the top level right now.

Any suggestions, who would also accept the salary RA can pay?

 

[Slim 293]

Kinda seems like you’re letting some personal bias cloud your judgement

It’s nothing personal, there’s just certain characters we’re better off not associating with..........

Getting into bed with someone so universally despised is not in our best interests.

But just in terms of rugby, he’s contributed nothing in 30 years that makes me believe he has any wisdom to impart........... and being on team Papworth shows he doesn’t have the national interest at heart.

 

[Boof1050]

So Slim Twiggy is in your opinion no good for the game. Jones isn't much chop either! Then who do you think we should get involved to at least have a go at reviving the game? Or do we just stick with the status quo and grizzle about the demise?

 

[Slim 293]

d) none of the above

 

[southsider]

It’s nothing personal, there’s just certain characters we’re better off not associating with....

Getting into bed with someone so universally despised is not in our best interests.

But just in terms of rugby, he’s contributed nothing in 30 years that makes me believe he has any wisdom to impart..... and being on team Papworth shows he doesn’t have the national interest at heart.

Hahaha that sounded immensely personal but fair enough

I’d also say his radio show ratings would suggest he isn’t as universally despised as you would like him to be

All I’m saying is I for one, would at least be interested in what he had to say........let’s leave it at that

 

[Slim 293]

His radio show ratings are not an accurate representation of mainstream Australia though..........

 

[wamberal]

I'd rather have Knuckles back than the Parrot.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Just to recall: White 'pissed off early' from the Brumbies /Aust rugby essentially as he believed - rightly or wrongly - that B Pulver misled him regarding the seriousness and candidate equivalence by which we would be assessed for the post-Deans HC of the Wallabies.

And while he had to make some sort of compensatory payment to the Brumbies, the split didn't seem to be at all vindictive or recriminatory. I think there was more to his bailing out than has made it into the public arena.

 

[The Honey Badger]

Jones is a brilliant motivator, and tends to get great performances out of players.

If you think like me, that is we actually have very good players and a good team. They are just not playing well. Then Jones could be the answer.

I see he been suggesting Johnson. So that pair together could be good. Johnson knows the modern game better than Jones.

It all comes down to weather they want real change or not. Jones will deliver change.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Jones is a brilliant motivator, and tends to get great performances out of players.

If you think like me, that is we actually have very good players and a good team. They are just not playing well. Then Jones could be the answer.

I see he been suggesting Johnson. So that pair together could be good. Johnson knows the modern game better than Jones.

It all comes down to weather they want real change or not. Jones will deliver change.

Sounds just like a description of Michael Cheika to me. So, where's the change?

 

[Slim 293]

Let's be realistic here..........

Alan Jones is never going to be considered for the gig - RA are not so stupid that they're going to hire someone with no recent coaching credentials, whose a controversial figure despised among the wider community and his presence alone would drive away supporters.

So I think we can move on from that suggestion.

 

[southsider]

despised among the wider community and his presence alone would drive away supporters.

So I think we can move on from that suggestion.

Not personal at all aye haha

I wouldn’t advocate for him to be out and out coach but what harm does RA cause in getting him in and saying “what do you think” if they like what they hear give him a consultant role of some description. We are at the point now where we need any help we can take and maybe need to think outside the box a bit