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Australian Rugby / RA

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Ethics are not an optional extra in life. If Cameron Clyne, Pulver, and the entire ARU board came to me with $1M (or any amount) cash for any business arrangement I would seriously regard it to be stolen or otherwise unlawfully obtained. They are without standing, the entire edifice of Australian Rugby is ethically and morally bankrupt and I would not enter any contract with them as how could one consider whether the terms of the contract would be honoured in letter or spirit.

Now as for the entire contents of the above story it is based on records between counsel and as such they will argue privilege and hide their malfeasance, all nicely enabled by the upstanding legal profession, and they wonder why or are entirely blind to the absolute contempt they are held in.

The current evidence before the banking Royal Commission reveals what those who run big banks and institutions are prepared to do to make a buck out of ordinary people. There's no reason to believe that we won't hear similar stories relating to the NAB when Clyne was running the show. Brett Robinson and Roger Davis are on the board of the Bank of Queensland.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
All of the posts suggesting that the then ARU could have got the Rebels to sell their licence to the ARU were reliant on the Rebels owners agreeing to that.

Knowing the ARU wanted to cut them, why would they? They had all the leverage in that situation even if they were struggling to remain solvent.

For the ARU to have the Rebels as their preferred team over the Force is a matter of debate. Neither was a clear cut choice no matter how much one side thought their team was superior to the other. They could be completely wrong that long term Melbourne is a better market but they also could be right.

It was never a fair fight. The ARU went in with the premise that they were going to cut the Force because it was within their power to do so.

The ARU were underhanded in achieving the outcome they wanted. None of those things are in contention.

What in my opinion hasn't been proven is that the ARU had any reasonable way they could change their mind and push ahead with 5 teams nor that they had a simple path to acquire the Rebels licence and cancel it.

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I like to watch

David Codey (61)
My understanding was that first the Rebels needed the ARU to gift them 1/2 a bar to make the put option viable.
Then the ARU had to provide them legal advice on the process.
Only after these things were completed,did the Rebels have any leverage.
 

Killer

Cyril Towers (30)
All of the posts suggesting that the then ARU could have got the Rebels to sell their licence to the ARU were reliant on the Rebels owners agreeing to that.

Knowing the ARU wanted to cut them, why would they? They had all the leverage in that situation even if they were struggling to remain solvent.

For the ARU to have the Rebels as their preferred team over the Force is a matter of debate. Neither was a clear cut choice no matter how much one side thought their team was superior to the other. They could be completely wrong that long term Melbourne is a better market but they also could be right.

It was never a fair fight. The ARU went in with the premise that they were going to cut the Force because it was within their power to do so.

The ARU were underhanded in achieving the outcome they wanted. None of those things are in contention.

What in my opinion hasn't been proven is that the ARU had any reasonable way they could change their mind and push ahead with 5 teams nor that they had a simple path to acquire the Rebels licence and cancel it.

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IMO
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
Throw away the shovel BH.
You have the outcome that by your words you supported and continue to support.
You have got your preferred self serving Chairman, your preferred Team and its continuing debt.
You have alienated and tried to kill the 3rd largest and rapidly growing rugby community in Aust.
You should be pleased, the future is bright.
You don't have a billionaire that was willing to support rugby Aust wide from the grassroots up, and is now a competitor.
It also looks like your major sponsor is probably thinking this arrangement with RA is not long term.
All this under the stewardship of your man clyne and his ego, and he is about to cut and run.
Where to from here? more of the same I guess.
 

jimmydubs

Dave Cowper (27)
All of the posts suggesting that the then ARU could have got the Rebels to sell their licence to the ARU were reliant on the Rebels owners agreeing to that.

Knowing the ARU wanted to cut them, why would they? They had all the leverage in that situation even if they were struggling to remain solvent.

For the ARU to have the Rebels as their preferred team over the Force is a matter of debate. Neither was a clear cut choice no matter how much one side thought their team was superior to the other. They could be completely wrong that long term Melbourne is a better market but they also could be right.

It was never a fair fight. The ARU went in with the premise that they were going to cut the Force because it was within their power to do so.

The ARU were underhanded in achieving the outcome they wanted. None of those things are in contention.

What in my opinion hasn't been proven is that the ARU had any reasonable way they could change their mind and push ahead with 5 teams nor that they had a simple path to acquire the Rebels licence and cancel it.

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Money.
Rebels were bust again.
Either the owners start digging into their own pockets (which comparatively aren’t that deep) or they give back to the ARU.
Seriously ARU held all the cards, their approval was required on the put option AND their money was required to get the rebels back debt free.

At the end of the day they got the option they, for whatever reason, wanted. They approved it, funded it and then hid the funding and approval thereof. If they’d wanted the other option they could’ve got it IMNSHFO
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Interesting comments by Michael Pascoe on the type of people we have running rugby.
I think that the ARU/RA would qualify as a "lesser entity";)
The bigger story behind these early days of the royal commission is the trashing of the entire Big End of Town, of the great and the good who make up the nation’s network of ASX 200 directors, CEOs and CFOs, of the chairmen and women who reached the peak of Australian corporate culture – the top of a big five board table – only to be shown to be, at best, incompetent.
They’re meant to be the cream of the market crop. Certainly the executives and chairs are paid that way. Having a big five directorship on your CV is about as good as it gets in the NEDs (non-executive directors) Club.
If these, the masters of our little universe, could so lose the plot at institutions as important, solid and rich as the big five, what are they capable of across lesser entities?
https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2018/04/19/banking-royal-commission-michael-pascoe/
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Loaded with the usual AJ hypocrisy:

"By taking on one of the leading players in an area in which sport should have no role, Rugby Australia has alienated many. "

So W(hy)TF was the piece written for and published by a sporting journal?
Merely because Jones is a shareholder in and is employed by a company which profits greatly from his antiquated opinions (as does he) which he spouts moment by moment does not mean that everyone is entitled to say whatever they like in the context of their employment.
How long do you think a religious relic seller would keep on a bloke who told each Christian who entered the store that the bible was merely the instruction manual for a collection of superstitious, unscientific and demonstrably wrong beliefs?
Nothing to stop him saying it but not in our shop thanks buddy.
Oh, and since its April lets invoke the memory of the Anzacs.
How long until Godwins law gets a run - the weimar weren't too keen on free speech from what I've heard.
 

hoggy

Nev Cottrell (35)
Interesting comments by Michael Pascoe on the type of people we have running rugby.
I think that the ARU/RA would qualify as a "lesser entity";)
The bigger story behind these early days of the royal commission is the trashing of the entire Big End of Town, of the great and the good who make up the nation’s network of ASX 200 directors, CEOs and CFOs, of the chairmen and women who reached the peak of Australian corporate culture – the top of a big five board table – only to be shown to be, at best, incompetent.
They’re meant to be the cream of the market crop. Certainly the executives and chairs are paid that way. Having a big five directorship on your CV is about as good as it gets in the NEDs (non-executive directors) Club.
If these, the masters of our little universe, could so lose the plot at institutions as important, solid and rich as the big five, what are they capable of across lesser entities?
https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2018/04/19/banking-royal-commission-michael-pascoe/


" Inexplicably, nobody from Rugby Australia spoke to the NRL or the Bulldogs about whether they thought she was up to it. Not NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg. Not Bulldogs chairman Ray Dib. None of them.

Does that strike anyone as strange, that before hiring a person.
 

hoggy

Nev Cottrell (35)
or this little beauty from Grandstand sport, reviewing the A-League

"To be fair, if you deep-dived in the sporting loch, you would find the A-League finals before Super Rugby, which only seems to exist when a talented full-back expresses his religious faith by condemning homosexuals to eternal damnation on social media"
 

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
" Inexplicably, nobody from Rugby Australia spoke to the NRL or the Bulldogs about whether they thought she was up to it. Not NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg. Not Bulldogs chairman Ray Dib. None of them.

Does that strike anyone as strange, that before hiring a person.
Seems a very carefully written sentance, which would exclude, say, the specialist recruitment company paid to do this sort of due diligence.......

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wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
And how on earth would anybody outside the loop know exactly what transpired? Executive recruitment is normally a pretty confidential affair. And how much weight would anybody put on the opinion of Bulldog insiders? That place is a vipers' nest.

Still, anything that can be said to demean our game's administrators is okay, apparently. More tin foil, please!!!
 
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