hoggy
Nev Cottrell (35)
Yes, The SMH article highlights this, those directly receiving those funds are the ones most likely to resist change.
Australian Rugby / RA
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Yes, The SMH article highlights this, those directly receiving those funds are the ones most likely to resist change.
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Amen.
I would add its not just "cash grabbing" it short termism generally.
Did we really spend $1m on bringing Cheika's Chosen Ones back from Europe for the Wallabies?
Will paying Folau whatever he wants - and letting him fly Aeroflot - make a long term difference to results or crowds?
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
The old boys network is omnipresent.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
The whole structure of game is confused, and in fact dysfunctional. Multiple layers of petty administrators each defending their turf, elite and junior rep programmes which stand outside and are at best loosly connected to other parts of the game and on it goes.
In Sydney as an example, district and sub-district clubs which are in the same geographic area operate completely in isolation and are part of completely separate and often hostile bodies. (The Sydney Rugby Union and the NSW Suburban Rugby Union.)
As I've noted before, we have an administrative stucture based on 19th century colonial boundaries. In England all clubs affiliate directly with the RFU.
But as we are often told, rugby in Austrlia is uniquely unique, nothing which applies to rugby anywhere else in the world is applicable here and nothing which succeeds in any other sport in Australia could poosibly work in rugby. And we just keep going around in ever diminishing circles until we'll eventually run into ourselves in the centre.
Just have a think about the sports (some of which are smaller and have less resources than rugby) which run a national club competition. Then think about how many other sports in Australia participate in a transcontinental, multi-timezone competition in which teams are invisible to supporters and potential supporters for weeks at a time. And you'll have an answer which no one running rugby in Australia wants to even think about let alone acknowledge.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
It even does gender equality?
Catherine McGregor might see this as a way of overcoming her relevance deprivation disorder.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Multiple diversity boxes could be ticked with one appointment.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I fixed your post.
As odd as it may sound, she is up to her eyeballs in “the establishment” but she’s happy to play the T in any LGBTQI revamp, provided there’s publicity.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
One of the best run sporting clubs in the country.
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
Are they paying their own way? from what I understand even with 20k members they need hefty injections of cash to stay afloat.
This team is not in the ballpark of the top afl clubs with huge memberships.
hoggy
Nev Cottrell (35)
There are so many issues facing the code here, but one thing that is undeniable is entering in another partnership regards TV rights will ensure that further compromise happens.
Ultimately in the long run you are compromising yourself out of existence, your never going to be able to put yourself in position to address those matters, when you constantly have one hand tied behind your back.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Someone is paying their way, and no matter who that someone is the club is one of the most professionally run outfits on and off the field.
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
I would have thought that would equal profit and the ability to support lesser teams? every year they promise they will break even, yet to do so, maybe it's a non afl thing in Melb? doesn't work.
half
Dick Tooth (41)
Without trying to sound an alarmist, nor looking to much at other codes.
However until we have an independent competition to run we will continue in a tailspin that is becoming more difficult to pull out of.
My sense is looking at both soccer and league they are engaged in the clubs having lots of power. What we have is a governing body simply telling the clubs how it will be.
If you believe in the old business adage follow the money, there are over 12 people wanting to join the A-League and some with very deep pockets.
Anywho if you look at whats happening in soccer, its looking very impressive, yep rating and crowds are down. After a two year civil war, and it looks like the A-League will run itself with 12 months.
Look at the NRL as well under Beatie and most clubs supporting expansion.
Rugby’s key stakeholders are not forcing change, leaving our current management and systems in place.
Netball is expanding at a huge rate.
The beyond scary part for me is the apparent lack of a Plan B. It like going into a game and the game plan is not working but refusing to change the game plan.
The other concern I have is the fear many have of change will cause us to go backwards for a while. The assumption that we can change and keep the same income levels is asking to walk on water. But as each years goes by and we slip further behind the move gets a little harder.
However until we have an independent competition to run we will continue in a tailspin that is becoming more difficult to pull out of.
My sense is looking at both soccer and league they are engaged in the clubs having lots of power. What we have is a governing body simply telling the clubs how it will be.
If you believe in the old business adage follow the money, there are over 12 people wanting to join the A-League and some with very deep pockets.
Anywho if you look at whats happening in soccer, its looking very impressive, yep rating and crowds are down. After a two year civil war, and it looks like the A-League will run itself with 12 months.
Look at the NRL as well under Beatie and most clubs supporting expansion.
Rugby’s key stakeholders are not forcing change, leaving our current management and systems in place.
Netball is expanding at a huge rate.
The beyond scary part for me is the apparent lack of a Plan B. It like going into a game and the game plan is not working but refusing to change the game plan.
The other concern I have is the fear many have of change will cause us to go backwards for a while. The assumption that we can change and keep the same income levels is asking to walk on water. But as each years goes by and we slip further behind the move gets a little harder.
Curiousier and curiouser.......
The Western Force really didn't have a chance!
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/we...-ng-b88806001z
The Western Force really didn't have a chance!
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/we...-ng-b88806001z
RA aid saved Rebels
The Sunday Times - Perth - 15 Apr 2018 - NICK TAYLOR
RUGBY Australia money helped clear the debt that saved the Melbourne Rebels and effectively signed the Western Force’s Super Rugby death warrant.
The revelation comes after this week’s RA announcement of a $3.8m loss for 2017, citing the messy axing of the Force as one of the factors.
Confidential documents obtained by The Sunday Times show the Australian Rugby Union — now RA — agreed to pay former Rebels owner, New Zealand businessman Andrew Cox, $300,000 and then-director Peter Sidwell $200,000.
The money was then paid to the Rebels.
The payments, contained in a Deed of Settlement Release, relate to “disputes” with the Rebels over RA’s threats to axe the Rebels and directs the money to the Melbournebased club.
The documents also state two other directors Lyndsey Cattermole and Bob Dalziel “gift” the Rebels $250,000 each. The combined amounts effectively cleared the Rebels debt of $789,811 that allowed Cox to sell the club to the Victorian Rugby Union for $1 under a Put Option agreement, effectively spelling the end of the Force as the Rebels could then not be closed.
The document says, among others, Cox and Sidwell “had suffered loss and damage as a result of statements alleged to have been made by or on behalf of the ARU on and from 10 April 2017”.
On April 10, RA chairman Cameron Clyne said a decision on which team would be cut would be made after consultation with the Force and rebels.
Four days later the Rebels issued a statement saying they “unequivocally” rejected that RA could “chop or cut” the club and had notified it of its intention to seek compensation.
The deed of settlement says Cox and Sidwell: “. . . respectively direct that the respective payments to them be paid to MRRUPL for the purposes of MRRUPL satisfying the Debt Free Requirement and MRRUPL agrees that these payments will be used solely for this purpose”.
It also says Cattermole and Dalziel promise to the ARU “. . . they have each gifted $250,000 to MRRUPL for the purpose of MRRUPL satisfying the Debt Free requirement and MRRUPL agrees that these gifted amounts will be solely for this purpose”.
Cox used the put option and sold 11,625,000 Rebels shares to the VRU on August 4 for $1.
RA and the Rebels did not respond to questions.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
^^^ASIC should at the very least be enquiring into these allegations.
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Half,
I know I have banged this drum often, perhaps too often. But do you accept that the actual codes of soccer and league (not to mention the AFL) are actually more attractive to Australians than our sport? In other words, it is not a governance problem, it is not a franchise ownership problem, it is actually deeper than that.
An independent commission would have to begin at square one. What exactly will our actual and potential market pay to support, one way or another?
I keep coming back to the sheer necessity of doing some research. We are all guessing at what might or not be successful. There are only two paths we can follow. The first one is to try something new (whatever that is, a new domestic competition, a trans-tasman competition, an Asian Pacific competition). If the vehicle that is chosen survives, well and good. If it doesn't? We are out of chances. Surely it would be wise to put a bit of investigation into the selection and packaging of the product that will save our bacon?
I know I have banged this drum often, perhaps too often. But do you accept that the actual codes of soccer and league (not to mention the AFL) are actually more attractive to Australians than our sport? In other words, it is not a governance problem, it is not a franchise ownership problem, it is actually deeper than that.
An independent commission would have to begin at square one. What exactly will our actual and potential market pay to support, one way or another?
I keep coming back to the sheer necessity of doing some research. We are all guessing at what might or not be successful. There are only two paths we can follow. The first one is to try something new (whatever that is, a new domestic competition, a trans-tasman competition, an Asian Pacific competition). If the vehicle that is chosen survives, well and good. If it doesn't? We are out of chances. Surely it would be wise to put a bit of investigation into the selection and packaging of the product that will save our bacon?
Killer
Cyril Towers (30)
Probably time to remove your wallabies icon, they are just another foreign team representing an organisation that not only doesn't support us but also actively tries to destroy us.