Australian Rugby / RA

[dru]

Can you please explain the alternative structure you envisage?

Realistically NSWRU and QRU have substantially less power than they had under the previous model.

Read my post. I'd ask the Senatorial review to look at it. With similar resource and funding, I'm comfortable I'd come up with something better than Arbib.

 

[dru]

Read my post. I'd ask the Senatorial review to look at it. With similar resource and funding, I'm comfortable I'd come up with something better than Arbib.

But whether I did or Not, the Arbib system is a fail. Grand fail.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Can you please explain the alternative structure you envisage?

Realistically NSWRU and QRU have substantially less power than they had under the previous model.

What we need is a benevolent dictatorship - either that or the org chart from last night's Utopia

 

[Braveheart81]

How?

In practice the mendicant RUs in SA, Tas & NT are completely reliant on the ARU for funding and development. With the 6 votes from NSW & Qld, the ARU, NSWRU and QRU can do what they like and appoint who they like.

The respective RU votes happen very rarely and are of limited scope.

The board of the ARU is independent.

The previous structure involved board appointments directly on before of the members. I.e. they had a board members specifically to carry out their wishes.

 

[TOCC]

In 2003 then Sports Minister Rod Kemp called for a report into soccer governance, this lead to the Crawford Report, subsequently the board of Soccer Australia resigned enmasse. Frank Lowry became chairman and declared Soccer Australia bankrupt and laid the foundations for a new govenrming body, Football Federarion Australia and the A-League.

 

[barbarian]

I can see some change coming about, but I'd be amazed if we get a result similar to what soccer went through.

I mean, they had a league that was set up mainly on racial grounds. We're in slightly better shape than that....... I hope.
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[Quick Hands]

The respective RU votes happen very rarely and are of limited scope.

The board of the ARU is independent.

The previous structure involved board appointments directly on before of the members. I.e. they had a board members specifically to carry out their wishes.

Appointing/reappointing people and being involved in commercial relations with some of those same people (including sitting on the boards or other companies), is hardly what I would call independent.

 

[dru]

I can see some change coming about, but I'd be amazed if we get a result similar to what soccer went through.

That would in deed be sad.

I mean, they had a league that was set up mainly on racial grounds. We're in slightly better shape than that... I hope.
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I would have chosen "cultural", "ex-pat National" or similar over "Racial". Whatever. IMO the ARU (and its supporting structure and unions) are a similar basket case.

 

[joeyjohnz]

Appointing/reappointing people and being involved in commercial relations with some of those same people (including sitting on the boards or other companies), is hardly what I would call independent.

It reminds me of the "world-wide" search for a CEO landed us with the halves partner from the Chairman's high school footy team.

 

[Quick Hands]

That would in deed be sad.




I would have chosen "cultural", "ex-pat National" or similar over "Racial". Whatever. IMO the ARU (and its supporting structure and unions) are a similar basket case.

It's just as bad, just doesn't have the ethnic labels. Same cronyism, it's just corporate instead of cultural.

 

[Quick Hands]

It reminds me of the "world-wide" search for a CEO landed us with the halves partner from the Chairman's high school footy team.

That's before you even get to various ARU, NSWRU, QRU board members serving together on a selection of major company boards. All on the corporate roundabout recommending each other for sinecures.

 

[barbarian]

It's just as bad, just doesn't have the ethnic labels. Same cronyism, it's just corporate instead of cultural.

What? No I'm sorry but I can't accept that.

NSL games regularly featured ugly brawls between rival ethnic groups. I don't think that's the same as a few old boys jockeying for a board seat.
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[Ruggo]

Racism isn't a problem in rugby. Classism is.

 

[RedsHappy]

Racism isn't a problem in rugby. Classism is.

....and everything that comes from it: insularity, 'the nepotism of chosen types', in-breded organisational cultures, lack of openness to change-threatening innovation, inter-board back scratching and favouritism, elitist attitudes, geographic prejudices that relate to social backgrounds as preferences, tendencies to arrogant conduct, avoidance of accountability through mutual self-protection.

 

[Quick Hands]

What? No I'm sorry but I can't accept that.

NSL games regularly featured ugly brawls between rival ethnic groups. I don't think that's the same as a few old boys jockeying for a board seat.
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You probably can't accept it, because it's not what I said at all. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't deliberately and knowingly misrepresent me in order to set up a straw man.

So, let me make it chrystal clear. This whole thread is about administration, I was talking about and comparing administrative practices. To my knowledge, crowd behaviour has NEVER been mentioned on this thread, so I'm a little unsure as to why you injected it into the conversation.

 

[Gnostic]

What? No I'm sorry but I can't accept that.



NSL games regularly featured ugly brawls between rival ethnic groups. I don't think that's the same as a few old boys jockeying for a board seat.

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Soccer Worldwide is beset with brawls and violence and it has little to do with ethnicity.

In the case of Soccer in Australia ethnicity did play an inordinate role due in large part to the socio-economic demographic interested and playing the game, especially the old Sydney scene it was a convenient avenue and much publicised. The other avenues that the violence regularly found outlet never found the same publicity.

I know this first hand growing up with a brother representing Marconi FC and Avala FC and seeing first hand the conflict with clubs such as Sydney Olympic FC and King Tomislav FC in the 70s.

 

[wamberal]

Racism isn't a problem in rugby. Classism is.

Yeah? I am from a working class family, and it never stopped me playing and loving the game. What class are you? Have you been discriminated against?


Racism was a huge problem in the game until relatively recently.

 

[RedsHappy]

Lord knows:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...t/news-story/2486e460e9a4858e951d1b3c426ecb7c

 

[Slim 293]

Yeah? I am from a working class family, and it never stopped me playing and loving the game. What class are you? Have you been discriminated against?


Racism was a huge problem in the game until relatively recently.

That personal anecdote doesn't really contradict the reality, or general perception of the game.

 

[Moono75]

Yeah? I am from a working class family, and it never stopped me playing and loving the game. What class are you? Have you been discriminated against?


Racism was a huge problem in the game until relatively recently.

I'm Western Australian and I don't count in the eyes of the ARU! Discrimination through geographical isolation!