Australia v South Africa - Perth - 6 September 2014

[KOB1987]

Why?
I'm a little gob smacked that anyone does not think Phipps was a massive improvement.
His service is soooo much quicker,It frustrates me enormously to watch White hold the ball in the ruck until he is certain that the defensive line is ready for our next phase.
That and the fucking endless shite box kicks.

I thought Phipps was a big improvement over White too..the point is we are struggling to find a 9/10/12 combination that lights up the backline..so try Phipps/To'omua/Beale as well

 

[KOB1987]

I'm not sure why there's still calls to start Beale when he plays his best every time at the end of the game off the bench?

It seems pretty clear that's where makes the most impact....

a yet to be tried combination is 9. White 10. To'omua 12. Beale

it probably warrants a look at some point even if its subbed on

who said anything about starting him? I agree that for now he is working best off the bench but the halves remain an area of concern

 

[KOB1987]

us older folk are a bit spoilt because we grew up with:

NFJ/Ella/Hawker
then
NFJ/Lynagh/Papworth
then
NFJ/Lynagh/Horan
then
GG/Larkham/Horan

the thing about Ella, Lynagh & Larkham is that they were all very authoritative fly-halfs who would put the direction of the game into their own hands..as skilled as they are, neither Beale nor Foley have that same quality..QC (Quade Cooper) does to a lesser extent but if there is a player out there who offers those qualities it's To'omua

 

[Quick Hands]

Except this is the IRB, so the bloke will be doing the RWC final.

And the IRB rate Clancy, Jackson and Peyper in the top 10 refs world wide

 

[Quick Hands]

I'm not sure why there's still calls to start Beale when he plays his best every time at the end of the game off the bench?

It seems pretty clear that's where makes the most impact....

Funny that most of us had that worked out weeks ago - except the bloke paid to pick and coach the team

 

[Train Without a Station]

QC (Quade Cooper) puts the direction of the game in his own hands.

That's great your comments about what we had. But firstly they didn't play 30 games a season like they do now. I doubt Genia would have fallen out of form the way he did if it was 2 decades earlier, and secondly, what did we have when our first choice players were injured in this days? Because that's where we are at right now.

 

[Ash]

Simmons was OK, not abysmal. He had some nice touches, but the penalties were stupid- look at me now, Rob: DONT. TOUCH. THE. MAN. IN. THE. AIR. It's fucking simple mate, but I reckon you've given away this penalty 40 times in your test career.
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Most of Simmons' other penalties were dumb, but I can forgive him for the lineout one. Watch what his lifters did: they threw him across the lineout. Both Simmons and Fardy have been penalised for their lifters throwing them too far across the lineout. Fardy is more clever about it though, he puts his hands in the air. Simmons grabs the other guy to stabilise himself.

The next lineout the lifters did the same thing, but the ball went to the SA jumper behind our jumper, otherwise it would've been the exact same penalty. I assume that's how they practice, it's a technique problem.

 

[Quick Hands]

us older folk are a bit spoilt because we grew up with:

NFJ/Ella/Hawker
then
NFJ/Lynagh/Papworth
then
NFJ/Lynagh/Horan
then
GG/Larkham/Horan

the thing about Ella, Lynagh & Larkham is that they were all very authoritative fly-halfs who would put the direction of the game into their own hands..as skilled as they are, neither Beale nor Foley have that same quality..QC (Quade Cooper) does to a lesser extent but if there is a player out there who offers those qualities it's To'omua

The backline picked last night is pretty much the best available at the moment - and the 9-10-12 is nothing close to any of the above.

 

[cyclopath]

Phipps and Foley were very poor last night. If White and Beale played as badly as those two did last night, the knives would be out for them on this forum.

Foley's last two starts for the Wallabies have been horrific. Phipps is just simply not up to international level. Poor passing and decision making.

Wait until I post my coded stats of Phipps play. You are just plain, flat-out wrong. Sorry to say.

 

[Quick Hands]

Most of Simmons' other penalties were dumb, but I can forgive him for the lineout one. Watch what his lifters did: they threw him across the lineout. Both Simmons and Fardy have been penalised for their lifters throwing them too far across the lineout. Fardy is more clever about it though, he puts his hands in the air. Simmons grabs the other guy to stabilise himself.

The next lineout the lifters did the same thing, but the ball went to the SA jumper behind our jumper, otherwise it would've been the exact same penalty. I assume that's how they practice, it's a technique problem.

But the lineout ones where you grab your opposite jumper in the air (at the top of the jump almost) are the easiest for refs to spot - even Clancy saw it.

 

[Quick Hands]

QC (Quade Cooper) puts the direction of the game in his own hands.

That's great your comments about what we had. But firstly they didn't play 30 games a season like they do now. I doubt Genia would have fallen out of form the way he did if it was 2 decades earlier, and secondly, what did we have when our first choice players were injured in this days? Because that's where we are at right now.

And realistically we're never going to have our best 15 players fit and available in the professional era. No one is.

 

[KOB1987]

The backline picked last night is pretty much the best available at the moment - and the 9-10-12 is nothing close to any of the above.

like I said, we were spoilt

 

[Ash]

But the lineout ones where you grab your opposite jumper in the air (at the top of the jump almost) are the easiest for refs to spot - even Clancy saw it.

Huh, did you read my post? I don't get what you are saying.

I said that there is a technique problem with our lifters, they throw the jumper too far across on defensive lineouts. It happened on several of them. edit: could be on the jumpers too.

Simmons gave away dumb penalties, that one in Cowan's no try he deserves an absolute flogging for. But grabbing a guy when you are thrown into him, not entirely his fault. Fardy is a smaller guy and probably feels like he doesn't need to grab him and just puts his hands in the air - but has been penalised anyway edit: for the same thing in previous games.

 

[KOB1987]

QC (Quade Cooper) puts the direction of the game in his own hands.

That's great your comments about what we had. But firstly they didn't play 30 games a season like they do now. I doubt Genia would have fallen out of form the way he did if it was 2 decades earlier, and secondly, what did we have when our first choice players were injured in this days? Because that's where we are at right now.

not sure that Genia is first choice 9..QC (Quade Cooper) probably would be, and To'omua is first choice..

both Lynagh and Larkham were introduced into the Wallabies backline in other positions and then moved to 10, Lynagh was first at 12 and Larkham was at 15 initially..will To'omua be the next big 10?

I am not saying last night's combinations were poor, just didn't light up the stage..they will no doubt get another shot next week against a weaker team so lets hope they can light the fucking thing up!

 

[Tomikin]

Perceptions are often different at the ground, but I thought Phipps was a significant improvement in terms of service to the backs. He also didn't box kick, which is massive plus.

I think he started well but got a bit lost during the game. He deserves another crack

 

[lewisr]

Except this is the IRB, so the bloke will be doing the RWC final.

Mate it's called "world rugby" now, get it together!


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[Quick Hands]

Huh, did you read my post? I don't get what you are saying.

I said that there is a technique problem with our lifters, they throw the jumper too far across on defensive lineouts. It happened on several of them. edit: could be on the jumpers too.

Simmons gave away dumb penalties, that one in Cowan's no try he deserves an absolute flogging for. But grabbing a guy when you are thrown into him, not entirely his fault. Fardy is a smaller guy and probably feels like he doesn't need to grab him and just puts his hands in the air - but has been penalised anyway edit: for the same thing in previous games.

I'm agreeing with you.

 

[boyo]

This lack of ability to kick from the hand is rampant throught the game in Australia. With that wind behind us, any long kicks should have been drilled into the corners, not down the middle of the field. I saw exactly the same thing happen at a GPS 1st XV game last week - many of our players don't seem to have been coached on how to use a strong wind.

Or how to play in the wet.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I think he started well but got a bit lost during the game. He deserves another crack

Definitely. Up tempo, ball out in front, will be key against Argentina and Phipps is the better player for that right now.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I cannot believe there is a call to can Phipps.
This site never picks the same team 2 weeks in a row