Eh? Is that a thing? I've never heard it.
Australia v Scotland, 3:00pm 17 June Sydney Football Stadium
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Eh? Is that a thing? I've never heard it.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
That's because we haven't held the ball for three phases since 2003
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
It is very depressing for all of us right now. I have been around for a long time, I reckon this is a low period for sure. There have been several of them during my lifetime, but for some reason this feels like the worst.
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Mick Byrne said that it was actually more tiring for a team to hold the ball for multiple phases than it was to defend for multiple phases. But I have never heard the three phrases idea.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Between the amount of tries scored off of kick returns, turnovers (including interceptions), and set pieces/set piece moves, it wouldn't be that surprising if it were the case, albeit I've not yet seen any data behind it.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
No-one, Gatland just wants 46 players so he can rest his Test 23 for the two remaining midweek matches (Chiefs this Tuesday, Hurricanes next).
OK, the first bit kind of makes sense. Nevertheless, it seemed obvious in that second half that the Scots defence was becoming slowly more stretched, but we lost our cool before getting what seemed to be the inevitable break. Maybe they were tired?
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Funny this: the vast majority of posts here are laments of one kind or another re individual players and selections and who would be a better pick at position x or y or whatever. Or too many Tahs. Or replace the 8, or the 6. Or, from the HC himself, 'what isn't everyone as passionate as Hooper'.
Yet we see: Ireland, Scotland and England all quite dramatically improved in relatively short periods from their prior standards by better coaching. No, it wasn't a sudden burst of newly greater players randomly arriving to these teams, incontestably it has been superior coaching teams applying themselves to the player resources available.
But no one here seems to think that the Wallaby coaching group might actually be the heartland problem of the 2016-17 Wallabies. That it could be that these men are insufficiently experienced and/or talented at their jobs to compete with better coaching teams recently arriving to build up other rugby national teams.
Or that the Australian rugby system is gradually getting poorer and poorer at creating good-enough or world-class rugby coaches, either generalist or specialist in nature.
Are we looking closely enough?
Yet we see: Ireland, Scotland and England all quite dramatically improved in relatively short periods from their prior standards by better coaching. No, it wasn't a sudden burst of newly greater players randomly arriving to these teams, incontestably it has been superior coaching teams applying themselves to the player resources available.
But no one here seems to think that the Wallaby coaching group might actually be the heartland problem of the 2016-17 Wallabies. That it could be that these men are insufficiently experienced and/or talented at their jobs to compete with better coaching teams recently arriving to build up other rugby national teams.
Or that the Australian rugby system is gradually getting poorer and poorer at creating good-enough or world-class rugby coaches, either generalist or specialist in nature.
Are we looking closely enough?
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
And it shows our fitness isn't good enough.
Which indicates pressure for positions isn't good enough.
Which indicates Super Rugby isn't good enough.
Which indicates Club AND Schools Rugby isn't good enough.
So, by all means, let's bitch about the Wallabies. But let's remember the ongoing mistakes that keep us in this little pattern. The players and coaches are only as good as the system they're built on.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Bravo.
The Australian rugby system is as sick as a parrot. Has been for a decade or more.
It's just that the evidence and symptoms are becoming more and more obvious. And the consequences more and more serious for the entire viability of the code here.
Blaming players is a deceit.
Teh Other Dave
Alan Cameron (40)
Re: three phases - I can't show the source data from Super Rugby and World cup tournaments right now, so do treat it with 1g QID of skepticism, but I have seen it before (there's bound to be an L3 coach on here who probably has it sitting in the dank depths of their hard drive).
Basically most tries in rep and professional rugby are scored within three phases of possession. It sort of makes sense - get the defense backpedalling then strike before they have time to realign. Taking the ball into contact carries risk, and more so when the defense has time to organise.
Addit: It wouldn't surprise me that having to scramble to each offensive breakdown to secure the ball would make the team in possession more tired than defending in a well organised pattern.
Basically most tries in rep and professional rugby are scored within three phases of possession. It sort of makes sense - get the defense backpedalling then strike before they have time to realign. Taking the ball into contact carries risk, and more so when the defense has time to organise.
Addit: It wouldn't surprise me that having to scramble to each offensive breakdown to secure the ball would make the team in possession more tired than defending in a well organised pattern.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
if you show me the coaches and administrators who told Genia and perhaps more crucially DHP they should kick at every opportunity I'm happy to blame them.
The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
World Rugby put out a statistical analyis of each World Cup
2015 is here
http://pulse-static-files.s3.amazon...4_Rugby_World_Cup_2015_Statistcial_Report.pdf
So stop the first couple of phases after a lineout inside the 22m and you've gone a long way to stopping the tries - exactly what Scotland managed to do all game yesterday
gel
Ken Catchpole (46)
Multiple coaching setups. multiple levels of coaching experience. Varying levels of coaching success across multiple competitions and countries. Vast differences in coaching backgrounds.
Australian rugby players can't execute the skills necessary to win.
The common denominator is the players. It doesn't matter who is coaching, they all exhibit enormous deficiencies on core skills and clearly take no steps to rectify that situation.
If these guys had one molecule of pride in their bodies they would take some ownership of their repeatedly fucked up performances and get some personal help with their careers instead of waiting for someone else to figure everything out for them.
(watch how Nz teams handle a rush defence - a well executed chip and chase followed by regather and 60m gain once or twice sets a defensive line right back on its heels. We can't do that because none of our players practice the chip and chase well enough to be able to execute it with any accuracy to make it effective. Blame the coaching all you want, but you'd be wrong to lay it so clearly at their feet).
gel
Ken Catchpole (46)
There's no question that there are systemic issues, but surely you can't be serious that professional athletes shouldn't take ownership of their own careers?
Quade's ineptitude at tackling (and getting sent off repeatedly) and tendency to drop off his flat passes to make them look forward is his problem to fix. there's no way he's being coached by Stiles, Cheika or anyone else to do those things. similarly with Foley's general in game kicking (it's pretty poor and has been forever) - who's he hired to assist him with bettering his own game?
Don't even get me started on these guys inability to pass left to right.
There will be no improvement until the players take FULL ownership of their own performances.
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
IMHO the biggest single problem over the last twenty years has been the lack of any kind of sense of unity amongst all stakeholders. Blind Freddy could see, with the benefit of hindsight, that the Soup franchises should have been willing to accept some sort of central control of their playing resources, not to mention coaching resources.
The strong codes can afford parochialism. Rife in both the NRL and AFL, and yet both have a lot of control of player movements, one way or another.
We cannot afford to be divided. And yet we are more divided than ever.
The strong codes can afford parochialism. Rife in both the NRL and AFL, and yet both have a lot of control of player movements, one way or another.
We cannot afford to be divided. And yet we are more divided than ever.
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NRL and certainly the AFL are far more unified then rugby union... NSW is perfect example.. NSWRU, Waratahs, SRU, ARU and Schoolboys are all governed by seperate boards with different agendas and heirachies.. then you also have parts of NSW which are governed by the ACT
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