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naza said:
Nice one Nazareth. Please note I quoted a 3rd party who credited Gits. Trolling my ass. It's easy to bash with offering credible alternatives.
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Nice one Nazareth. Please note I quoted a 3rd party who credited Gits. Trolling my ass. It's easy to bash with offering credible alternatives.
The Chosen
Fred Wood (13)
Noddy said:
Do Qld have fans?
Carter did the job asked of him last season. Certainly had a much better year than your boys(including NSW cast-off!)
The Chosen said:
Yeah? I guess I can see it now:
Link: Ok Tommy. What we want from you this year is anonymity. Don't do anything ok? Tackles? Miss 'em. And when you get the ball, if you decide to catch it, just truck it up, because let's be honest, you don't have the skills to do anything else. And another thing. Be. Really. Slow. Ok? Got that? Good job.
The Chosen said:
Yes, he's doing great over there with the Wallabies, and Australia A. Like Morgan T, Quade, Berrick, Benny Lucas, Digby. He's right up there.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Havent read through all the posts but myself think the Italianos is a way stuffer oppo then in the past and clearly Nick Mallet have lift that poofball lot. I watched them when they played the Bokke on Newlands and then they show a much tougher side of what they use to be.
The Chosen
Fred Wood (13)
Noddy said:
Why on earth would you want Digby back after his (non)display on the weekend?
Is Morgan over there-thought he was still recuperating from his woeful effort with Randwick in Sydney GF.
Who the hell is Benny Lucas??
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Why on earth would you want Digby back after his (non)display on the weekend?
Is Morgan over there-thought he was still recuperating from his woeful effort with Randwick in Sydney GF.
Who the hell is Benny Lucas??
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See, you were going great until you asked who Ben Lucas is.
Digby - useless -
Morgan T - please keep him at Randwick, don't want him back in Qld
Ben Lucas - Qld Reds No 9, very talented, plagued with injuries for the past year or so but will challenge for the top spot or at least be the best backup once Cordingly or the selectors realises he is past it.
Is Morgan over there-thought he was still recuperating from his woeful effort with Randwick in Sydney GF.
Who the hell is Benny Lucas??
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See, you were going great until you asked who Ben Lucas is.
Digby - useless -
Morgan T - please keep him at Randwick, don't want him back in Qld
Ben Lucas - Qld Reds No 9, very talented, plagued with injuries for the past year or so but will challenge for the top spot or at least be the best backup once Cordingly or the selectors realises he is past it.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Non display? Why because he didn't kick the ball away & did run the ball back with success all day. He was the only back apart from Barnes & Cooper that could walk off with thier heads held high.
1st 10 minutes Barnes is on we're creaming them the next 55 minutes the Italians look like causing an upset until Cooper comes on & saves our arse.
Only just watched it (golf weekend away ;D).
I won't add to the analysis of the forward play since we are over-blessed with experts here except to say Mumm really is making the most of his opportunity, and well done Alexander. Have to agree that Waugh must be marking time with Smith and now Pocock around.
Backs?
Burgess - too often just picks and goes without really checking if it's an option - then looks silly trying to find one. It'll come off sometimes and he'll look brilliant, but not this time.
Barnes - too short on field to say. Bugger!
Gits - as mentioned elsewhere, not too good apart from goal kicking. Almost got outside a couple of times but forced the passes more often than not.
Tahu - some good attacking play, busts and half-busts including the pass to Turner; one on one tackling OK, but positionally still a bit unsure. I still think he'll be good if they can get him some longer hammies. He was unlucky to crock it - got unbalanced going for that ball and landed awkwardly on 1 leg - pop!
Morty - a bit hit, more miss, especially some poor option taking with ball in hand then onto foot.
Ioane - few opportunities, hard to bag him on that.
Turner - similar, took the try well, bit of a defensive blunder for the Italian try (with Tahu).
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) - NOT A FULLBACK!!
Cooper's cameo - good, but hard to praise too much on that.
I won't add to the analysis of the forward play since we are over-blessed with experts here except to say Mumm really is making the most of his opportunity, and well done Alexander. Have to agree that Waugh must be marking time with Smith and now Pocock around.
Backs?
Burgess - too often just picks and goes without really checking if it's an option - then looks silly trying to find one. It'll come off sometimes and he'll look brilliant, but not this time.
Barnes - too short on field to say. Bugger!
Gits - as mentioned elsewhere, not too good apart from goal kicking. Almost got outside a couple of times but forced the passes more often than not.
Tahu - some good attacking play, busts and half-busts including the pass to Turner; one on one tackling OK, but positionally still a bit unsure. I still think he'll be good if they can get him some longer hammies. He was unlucky to crock it - got unbalanced going for that ball and landed awkwardly on 1 leg - pop!
Morty - a bit hit, more miss, especially some poor option taking with ball in hand then onto foot.
Ioane - few opportunities, hard to bag him on that.
Turner - similar, took the try well, bit of a defensive blunder for the Italian try (with Tahu).
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) - NOT A FULLBACK!!
Cooper's cameo - good, but hard to praise too much on that.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Noddy said:
I couldn't watch the game again but I saw a replay of the tries again on a rugby show.
- It looks bad for Tahu but they had 4 on 3 and played it beautifully - it was a super try. A skip pass is always going to do damage with an overlap if the passer reads the play right. The ball skipped the player Tahu was marking and he wasn't close enough to the guy who received the ball. Maybe he should have lined up more opposite the receiver but then the skipped guy would have had a gap if he got the pill. There were a couple of Aussies coming over but they probably wouldn't have made it to the skipped guy.
Turner should have turned and chased, not because he had any chance to catch the try scorer after he got the golden ball, but because something could have happened to make the try scorer slow down- a bad pass behind to delay him or a bobbled ball. Turner is usually good on these 5 percenters and I bet he got a bit of a rocket from the coaches.
- The Quade Cooper try should never have been awarded. They showed a shot from behind the Aussies and Mortlock ran into Parisse, of all people. Parisse had aimed up on Mortlock, but would have had time to get Cooper if he hadn't been on the deck. It's not so clear on the side-on shot.
Here it is (with some mood music...). What's funny as hell is Morty's flight from the scene of the crime.
Is this the same as a batsman looking behind to see if the keeper takes the catch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnTMn_o5qQ
Is this the same as a batsman looking behind to see if the keeper takes the catch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnTMn_o5qQ
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Hang on. I'm not Quad's biggest fan, but there was still a lot of work to do after Mortlock's so-called impedence. I think it was probably marginal at best and shouldn't be judged by Mortlock's reaction. Give the kid a go. His next move was to kick the ball into touch on the full. ..... Nobody's talkin' about that.
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Dave Cowper (27)
That occured exactly in line with where I was sitting in the 2nd half and I was surprised when the try was awarded.
Had the Italians not thrown their arms up they probably could have still tackled him and is a lesson in playing the whistle.
The actual law of Obstruction would probably mean it should have been a penalty, but as we often use the league term of "Sheperding" then you can see why it was allowed to pass. But I guess you win some and you lose some and we have definately been losing our fair share lately.
Had the Italians not thrown their arms up they probably could have still tackled him and is a lesson in playing the whistle.
The actual law of Obstruction would probably mean it should have been a penalty, but as we often use the league term of "Sheperding" then you can see why it was allowed to pass. But I guess you win some and you lose some and we have definately been losing our fair share lately.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Thanks for showing that Gagger.
Nobody is chipping Quade: he did two lovely left foot steps and was entitled to be tackled - but it is beside the point. If the obstruction happened to us we would be livid, and if it happened to the All Blacks in a RWC Q/Final they would still be moaning about it.
It wasn't "so-called" or "marginal" either - the vision offered by Gagger didn't have the sequence they had on the Kiwi rugby show "Reunion". It used a long lens shot from behind the Wallabies goal line and you can see Mortlock bumping into Parisse and knocking him over.
Mortlock had contact with Parisse just before the Italian skipper realised the Aussie skipper wasn't getting the ball. I reckon he could have stayed on his feet and moved over and tackled Cooper because Quade would have nearly ran into him as Mortlock vacated the area. But the Italian was throwing up his arms appealing to the ref for a penalty and paid the price of not playing to the whistle.
But that is also beside the point, which is, that an attacking player ran in front of a ball runner from his team and came in contact with a defender who was in an area to tackle the ball runner. Mortlock was about 8 metres ahead of Cooper when the contact happened and it was before Cooper caught the ball.
It should have been a penalty to Italy but if Parisse had tried to stay on his feet, or got back up, and tried to tackle Cooper the obstruction would have been more noticeable, or the tackle made.
PS - I don't think that anybody has commended Giteau in that movement for switching the ball back 10 metres to Quade, and to Quade for running back to get into a fullback position in the first place to offer an alternative runner. That running backwards effort to go forwards is almost 24 carat Crusaders stuff.
PhucNgo said:
Nobody is chipping Quade: he did two lovely left foot steps and was entitled to be tackled - but it is beside the point. If the obstruction happened to us we would be livid, and if it happened to the All Blacks in a RWC Q/Final they would still be moaning about it.
It wasn't "so-called" or "marginal" either - the vision offered by Gagger didn't have the sequence they had on the Kiwi rugby show "Reunion". It used a long lens shot from behind the Wallabies goal line and you can see Mortlock bumping into Parisse and knocking him over.
Mortlock had contact with Parisse just before the Italian skipper realised the Aussie skipper wasn't getting the ball. I reckon he could have stayed on his feet and moved over and tackled Cooper because Quade would have nearly ran into him as Mortlock vacated the area. But the Italian was throwing up his arms appealing to the ref for a penalty and paid the price of not playing to the whistle.
But that is also beside the point, which is, that an attacking player ran in front of a ball runner from his team and came in contact with a defender who was in an area to tackle the ball runner. Mortlock was about 8 metres ahead of Cooper when the contact happened and it was before Cooper caught the ball.
It should have been a penalty to Italy but if Parisse had tried to stay on his feet, or got back up, and tried to tackle Cooper the obstruction would have been more noticeable, or the tackle made.
PS - I don't think that anybody has commended Giteau in that movement for switching the ball back 10 metres to Quade, and to Quade for running back to get into a fullback position in the first place to offer an alternative runner. That running backwards effort to go forwards is almost 24 carat Crusaders stuff.
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