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AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) did countless up and under kicks all night long which were shit, some made 20m others made 5m. Then Quade came on at fullback and his first up and under kick was perfectly weighted, i think it took some of the other backs by suprise because they actually had to run to get it.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Naza is spot on, I said to Noddy that our backs think they have to score off 1st phase everytime & they have no idea how to build pressure.
I would have Gits in the team but not at flyhalf I'd play him at Inside centre & start Barnes at 10 if he is fit.
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) isn't a fullback move him to 13 or the bench.
Mortlock must be on borrowed time, give me Smith or Horwill as captain.
Move over Phil Waugh, it's Pococks time.
Tahu always goes to the outside & turns over ball he needs a full season of super 14 & then Aussie A before he can even think about another Tri-nations test.
Move Giteau back to 12 & concentrate on Barnes, Cooper & Beale.
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Fred Wood (13)
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What we didn't do was build a platform - we constantly took the cheap option of midfield kicking and hoping to regain posession - only problem is we didn't have anyone chasing and regathering - oh we tried but it didn't work.
What happened to a little bit of structure. I am all for free expression, but you must firstly earn the right and we are NOT doing the basics of setting a platform for the attack.
What happened to a little bit of structure. I am all for free expression, but you must firstly earn the right and we are NOT doing the basics of setting a platform for the attack.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
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I thought Burgess was generally good up until about 60 minutes, where Giteau started running at the line and no-one was asking for the ball, or provided him options either side of the ruck. He shouldn't have let it put him off though.
Can I ask why everyone thinks Waugh is so past it? Is it simply a case of not seeing him produce 25 turnovers a game or what?
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because waugh has done sweet fuck all the last few wallaby games he has played...
he is nowhere near the standard of George Smith, and pocock is quickly closing the gap between himself and waugh.
hence the past it comments.
he is nowhere near the standard of George Smith, and pocock is quickly closing the gap between himself and waugh.
hence the past it comments.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
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Burgess had occasions where he'd clear the ball so fast he didn't think what he was doing. Other times things just didn't register. Mainly he just went blindside way too much, when nothing was on. Resulted in multiple turnovers and isolations - going blind in a 2v4, or 1v3 as he wasn't looking (or thinking), or trying to run whilst isolated. Sometimes the helter skelter doesn't work, and I think he'll learn when to wait, but right now clearing quick ball before his team is even ready isn't working. Burgess also had an off night with his passing. He's a big talent, but he needs time to get more experience and consistency. There's a lot of defence for Burgess on this forum, and whilst being Australia's best half back right now by a long shot, he's still in a learning curve and is certainly up and down from week to week. I was bewildered someone gave Burgess points in the other thread.
Because Waugh is off the pace. 25 turnovers? He hasn't really had one. Waugh's been ineffectual at the breakdown - he hasn't looked like a threat, or caused any havoc, in any of the games. Admittedly the woeful camera angles made it nearly impossible to see who was working hard, but Waugh was barely noticed the whole game. I thought Brown looked more active around the breakdown than Waugh.
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Alan Cameron (40)
Ash said:
I can definitely see where you're coming from. And I am loving the irony after years spent defending Gregan from criticism of Gregan's controlled delivery. My understanding is that the way Burgess plays is the gameplan. They want quick ball to play off the cuff unstructured rugby. But you need structure otherwise people don't know where they're supposed to be. So you get nobody calling for the ball, ball carriers getting isolated etc.
When we had slow static ball Giteau kicked up and unders.
Have thought Waugh has been past it for a long time now and he's carrying too much weight.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Yeah, I couldn't understand the up and under on static ball tactic.
Try some tight play, one off runs, or kick to the corner. The up and unders were coming way too early, and we have been doing it way too often. Hopefully the coaching staff were foxing a bit with this game and will have some real tactics out for the next one. Otherwise, we're in trouble.
Try some tight play, one off runs, or kick to the corner. The up and unders were coming way too early, and we have been doing it way too often. Hopefully the coaching staff were foxing a bit with this game and will have some real tactics out for the next one. Otherwise, we're in trouble.
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naza said:
Last week you gave Gits no credit when he had a good game so I've every right to be suspicious of your "opinion". I've seen the game now so you can settle down but I'm still right to question your objectivity. ;D :fishing
Gits had a poor game this week had a poor game but I thought Burgess was even worse. Last week you said he "is our most vital player" and I'd have to agree with you. He needs to get our forwards making yards before delivering the ball to our backs. Why pass it to our backs when they can't do anything with it? When Burgess does pass it, it needs to be accurate. Problem with Oz yesterday was that Tahu is not a kicker, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) can't kick, Burgess can't kick so they all put pressure on Gits. We need a lot more kicking options and now Barnes is gone it makes it hard. I'd also question, like everyone else, the tactic of mid field bombs every few plays. It just hands field position to the opposition. When the opposition have good drop kickers, it's easy points.
Alexander won 2 scrum penalities
I thought Italy were offside most of the match. How can a lock find himself in your midfield one pass from the ruck with quick ball? :nta:
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
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I could barely see anything at the breakdown due to the shocking camera work - clearly the Eyetie director has only done soccer games before. We didn't have that many turnovers at all due to the nature of the game, and Smith would have found it a bit tougher than usual due to the haphazard nature of the game. Waugh was well involved at the breakdown besides that, and made his presence felt around the field which is something he needed to work on. He did it well too, taking the ball into contact well and laying it back or protecting it until the cavalry arrived. He certainly didn't put in any stupid grubber kicks.
There is a reason our forward pack played that well: leadership. Waugh was the bloke doing the talking at the huddles.
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David Codey (61)
I assume you mean Turner gave up on his outside man?
From the camera angle facing front onto the Wallabies, it seemed he came in to take the inside man (but way too late), then after realising they had broken through the line, just turned and watched his man run in support. It seemed strange he didn't chase him back?
From the camera angle facing front onto the Wallabies, it seemed he came in to take the inside man (but way too late), then after realising they had broken through the line, just turned and watched his man run in support. It seemed strange he didn't chase him back?
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