MungoMan
Ward Prentice (10)
A precedent against transfer fees at contract's end has long existed in Oz law. RL was the context, unsuprisingly.
Aussie Player Exodus
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A precedent against transfer fees at contract's end has long existed in Oz law. RL was the context, unsuprisingly.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Contracts end is the key.
Bosman ruling got rid of that. Previously the club held the players license, for lack of a better word, and without that license, a player couldn't play for a team. He wanted to move on because his contract was up, club refused to transfer the license without a fee, took them to EU court, boom, player regains his license at the end of his contract. Clubs still need to pay a registration fee that a big chunk of goes to the professional club that developed them, but no fee to the previous club is necessary.
Fees while the player is still under contract, completely different kettle of fish.
Bosman ruling got rid of that. Previously the club held the players license, for lack of a better word, and without that license, a player couldn't play for a team. He wanted to move on because his contract was up, club refused to transfer the license without a fee, took them to EU court, boom, player regains his license at the end of his contract. Clubs still need to pay a registration fee that a big chunk of goes to the professional club that developed them, but no fee to the previous club is necessary.
Fees while the player is still under contract, completely different kettle of fish.
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Toulon apparently in discussions with the ARU to release Quade for a few Sevens Tournaments throughout the season..
So Quade could sign with Toulon but still play sevens for Australia..
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So Quade could sign with Toulon but still play sevens for Australia..
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nathan
Watty Friend (18)
Have you guys seen this? Thought there were some interesting names in the French transfer list...look at Toulon in particular.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Steyn-to-join-White-at-Montpellier-20150821
Agen
Ins: Ruaan Du Preez (RSA/Oyonnax), Dave Ryan (IRL/Ulster), Tom Murday (AUS/Northland), Api Naikatini (FIJ/Wellington Lions), Bautista Guemes (ARG/Benetton Treviso/ITA), Eroni Narumasa (FIJ/Nadroga), Johann Sadie (RSA/Cheetahs), George Tilsley (NZL/Wellington Lions), Tom Murday (AUS/Reds)
Outs: Aidan Toua (AUS/Brumbies)
Bordeaux-Begles
Ins: Emile Ntamack (backs coach), Loann Goujon (La Rochelle), Luke Braid (NZL/Blues), Adam Ashley-Cooper (AUS/Waratahs), Jean-Marcellin Buttin (Clermont), Sekope Kepu (AUS/Waratahs),Steven Kitshoff (RSA/Stormers)
Outs: Taiasina Tuifua (SAM/Lyon), Matthew Graham (NZL), Zaza Navrozashvili (GEO/Lyon), Benjamin Sa (NZL/retired), Ben Venter (RSA/Montauban), Jayden Spence (NZL/Highlanders), Ulrich Beyers (RSA/Zebre)
Brive
Ins: Saimone Taumoepeau (SAM/Castres), Johan Snyman (RSA/Scarlets), William Whetton (NZL/Castres), Wilhelm Steenkamp (RSA/Western Force)
Outs: Pat Barnard (RSA/retired), Johannes Coetzee (RSA), Tjiuee Uanivi (NAM/Worcester/ENG), Kieran Murphy (IRL/London Welsh), Riaan Swanepoel (RSA/Aix-en-Provence), Venione Voretamaya (FIJ/Colomiers)
Castres
Ins: Antoine Tichit (Oyonnax), Benjamin Urdapilleta (ARG/Oyonnax), David Smith (NZL/Toulon), Rudi Wulf (NZL/Toulon), Alex Tulou (NZL/Montpellier), Eric Sione (NZL/Hurricanes), Lucas Martinez (ARG/Lomas Club)
Outs: Remi Tales (Racing Metro), Paea Fa'anunu (NZL/Grenoble), Saimone Taumoepeau (TGA/Brive),Jannie Bornman (RSA/Aix-en-Provence), Max Evans (SCO/end of contract), William Whetton (NZL/Brive), Marcel Garvey (ENG/retired)
Clermont
Ins: Iuri Natriashvili (GEO/Tulle), Flip Van Der Merwe (RSA/Bulls), Camille Gerondeau (Racing Metro), Albert Vulivuli (FIJ/La Rochelle), Hosea Gear (NZL/Chiefs), Adrien Plante (Racing Metro), David Strettle (ENG/Saracens), Scott Spedding (RSA/Bayonne).
Outs: Ti'i Paulo (SAM/Lyon), Julien Pierre (Pau), Julien Bonnaire (Lyon), Mike Delany (NZL/Newcastle), Zac Guilford (NZL/Hawke's Bay), Julien Malzieu (Montpellier), Napolioni Nalaga (FIJ/Lyon), Jean-Marcellin Buttin (Bordeaux Begles).
Grenoble
Ins: Fabrice Estebanez (Lyon), Steven Setephano (NZL/Osaka), Alisona Taumalolo (TGA/Racing Metro), James Percival (ENG/Worcester)
Outs: Ross Skeate (RSA/Aix-en-Provence), Paul Willemse (RSA/Montpellier), Jono Owen (NZL/end of contract), Valentin Courrent (retired), Julien Caminati (Toulon), Albertus Buckle (RSA/Lyon/Pro D2), Naude Beukes (RSA/retired)
La Rochelle
Ins: David Roumieu (Bayonne), Ricky Januarie (RSA/Lyon), Zack Holmes (AUS/Western Force), David Raikuna (NZL/North Harbour), Benjamin Lapeyre (Racing Metro)
Outs: Rassie Van Vuuren (RSA/Bayonne), Cobus Grobler (RSA/retired), Loann Goujon (Bordeaux-Begles), Sireli Bobo (FIJ/Toulon), Peter Grant (RSA/Western Force), Albert Vuli Vuli (FIJ/Clermont), Gonzalo Canale (ITA/retired)
Montpellier
Ins: Jannie Du Plessis (RSA/Sharks), Bismarck Du Plessis (RSA/Sharks), Schalk Van der Merwe (RSA/Lions), Paul Willemse (RSA/Grenoble), Jacques Du Plessis (RSA/Bulls), Wiaan Liebenberg (RSA/Bulls), Pierre Spies (RSA/Bulls), Nic White (AUS/Brumbies), Cameron Wright (RSA/Sharks),Demetri Catrakilis (RSA/Stormers), Julien Malzieu (Clermont), Marvin O'Connor (Bayonne), Seveci Nakailagi (FIJ), Frans Steyn (RSA/Sharks), Jessie Mogg (AUS/Brumbies), Abdelatif Benazzi (manager), Craig Burden (RSA/Toulon), Bees Roux (RSA/Cheetahs), Andrew Smith (AUS/Munster),Jacobie Adriaanse (RSA/Scarlets), CJ Van Der Linde (RSA/Eastern Province Kings).
Outs: David Attoub (Lyon), Rene Ranger (NZL/Auckland Blues), Wynand Olivier (RSA/end of contract), Jonathan Pelissie (Toulon), Alex Tulou (SAM/Castres), Maximiliano Bustos (ARG/retired), Na'ama Leleimalefaga (SAM/Worcester), Chris King (NZL/Pau)
Oyonnax
Ins: Uwanakoro Tawalo (FIJ/Clermont), Fetu'u Vainikolo (TGA/Exeter), Eamonn Sheridan (IRL/London Irish), Nicky Robinson (WAL/Bristol), Piri Weepu (NZL/Wasps), George Robson (ENG/Harlequins), Stan Wright (NZL/Narbonne).
Outs: Christophe Urios (Castres/coach), Augustin Figuerola (ARG/Lyon), Benjamin Urdapilleta (ARG/Castres), Ruann Du Preez (RSA/Agen), Johnny Ngauamo (TGA/Mont-de-Marsan), Alexander Luatua (NZL/Aurillac), Hemani Paea (TGA/Lyon).
Pau
Ins: Mosese Ratuvou (FIJ/Lyon), Watisoni Votu (FIJ/Perpignan), Conrad Smith (NZL/Hurricanes), Colin Slade (NZL/Crusaders), Santiago Fernandez (ARG/Bayonne), Sean Dougall (IRL/Munster), Paddy Butler (IRL/Munster), Julien Pierre (Clermont), Euan Murray (SCO/Glasgow), Chris King (NZL/Montpellier).
Racing-Metro
Ins: Manuel Carizza (ARG/Stormers), Dan Carter (NZL/Crusaders), Martin Castrogiovanni (ITA/Toulon), Ross Filipo (NZL/Chiefs), Chris Masoe (NZL/Toulon), Nicolas Mirande (ARG/Tucuman), Yannick Nyanga (Toulouse), Remi Tales (Castres), Joe Rokocoko (NZL/Bayonne), Ben Tameifuna (NZL/Chiefs), Armand van der Merwe (RSA/Lions)
Outs: Jacques Cronje (RSA/retired), Benjamin Lapeyre (La Rochelle), Tomas Lavanini (ARG/Argentinian side for Super Rugby), Dan Lydiate (WAL/Ospreys), Brian Mujati (RSA/Sale/ENG), Adrien Plante (Clermont), Jamie Roberts (WAL/Harlequins), Jonathan Sexton (IRL/Leinster), Alisona Taumalolo (TGA/Grenoble)
Stade Francais
Ins: Willem Alberts (RSA/Sharks), Paul Alo-Emile (AUS/Rebels), Will Genia (AUS/Reds), Avenisi Vasuinubu (FIJ/Colomiers)
Outs: Jerome Fillol (retired), Krisnan Inu (NZL/Catalans Dragons - rugby league), Digby Ioane (AUS/Honda Heat), Monty Ioane (AUS/end of contract), Richard Kingi (AUS/end of contract), Juan Cruz Guillemain (ARG/Argentinian side for Super Rugby, David Lyons (AUS/end of contract), Pierre Rabadan (retired)
Toulon
Ins: Diego Dominguez (ARG/manager), Salesi Ma'afu (AUS/Northampton), Matt Stevens (ENG/Sharks), Paul O'Connell (IRL/Munster), Samu Manoa (USA/Northampton), Duane Vermeulen (RSA/Stormers), Jonathan Pelissie (Montpellier), Ma'a Nonu (NZL/Hurricanes), Mitchell Inman (AUS/Rebels), Sireli Bobo (FIJ/La Rochelle), James O'Connor (AUS/Reds), Lachie Turner (AUS/Reds).
Outs: Martin Castrogiovanni (ITA/Racing Metro), Carl Hayman (NZL/retired), Craig Burden (RSA/Montpellier), Bakkies Botha (RSA/retired), Ali Williams (NZL/retired), Chris Masoe (NZL/Racing Metro), Michael Claassens (RSA/Sharks), Juan Martin Hernandez (ARG/Argentinian side in Super Rugby), Rudi Wulf (NZL/Castres), David Smith (NZL/Castres).
Toulouse
Ins: David Mele (Leicester/ENG), Gert Muller (RSA/Bayonne), Semi Kunatani (FIJ), Tomas Leonardi (ARG/Edinburgh), Talalelei Gray (AUS/Waratahs)
Outs: Guy Noves (France/coach) Yannick Nyanga (Racing Metro), Shalk Ferreira (RSA/Eastern Province Kings), Jano Vermaak (RSA/Stormers), Chiliboy Ralepelle (RSA/end of contract)
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Steyn-to-join-White-at-Montpellier-20150821
Agen
Ins: Ruaan Du Preez (RSA/Oyonnax), Dave Ryan (IRL/Ulster), Tom Murday (AUS/Northland), Api Naikatini (FIJ/Wellington Lions), Bautista Guemes (ARG/Benetton Treviso/ITA), Eroni Narumasa (FIJ/Nadroga), Johann Sadie (RSA/Cheetahs), George Tilsley (NZL/Wellington Lions), Tom Murday (AUS/Reds)
Outs: Aidan Toua (AUS/Brumbies)
Bordeaux-Begles
Ins: Emile Ntamack (backs coach), Loann Goujon (La Rochelle), Luke Braid (NZL/Blues), Adam Ashley-Cooper (AUS/Waratahs), Jean-Marcellin Buttin (Clermont), Sekope Kepu (AUS/Waratahs),Steven Kitshoff (RSA/Stormers)
Outs: Taiasina Tuifua (SAM/Lyon), Matthew Graham (NZL), Zaza Navrozashvili (GEO/Lyon), Benjamin Sa (NZL/retired), Ben Venter (RSA/Montauban), Jayden Spence (NZL/Highlanders), Ulrich Beyers (RSA/Zebre)
Brive
Ins: Saimone Taumoepeau (SAM/Castres), Johan Snyman (RSA/Scarlets), William Whetton (NZL/Castres), Wilhelm Steenkamp (RSA/Western Force)
Outs: Pat Barnard (RSA/retired), Johannes Coetzee (RSA), Tjiuee Uanivi (NAM/Worcester/ENG), Kieran Murphy (IRL/London Welsh), Riaan Swanepoel (RSA/Aix-en-Provence), Venione Voretamaya (FIJ/Colomiers)
Castres
Ins: Antoine Tichit (Oyonnax), Benjamin Urdapilleta (ARG/Oyonnax), David Smith (NZL/Toulon), Rudi Wulf (NZL/Toulon), Alex Tulou (NZL/Montpellier), Eric Sione (NZL/Hurricanes), Lucas Martinez (ARG/Lomas Club)
Outs: Remi Tales (Racing Metro), Paea Fa'anunu (NZL/Grenoble), Saimone Taumoepeau (TGA/Brive),Jannie Bornman (RSA/Aix-en-Provence), Max Evans (SCO/end of contract), William Whetton (NZL/Brive), Marcel Garvey (ENG/retired)
Clermont
Ins: Iuri Natriashvili (GEO/Tulle), Flip Van Der Merwe (RSA/Bulls), Camille Gerondeau (Racing Metro), Albert Vulivuli (FIJ/La Rochelle), Hosea Gear (NZL/Chiefs), Adrien Plante (Racing Metro), David Strettle (ENG/Saracens), Scott Spedding (RSA/Bayonne).
Outs: Ti'i Paulo (SAM/Lyon), Julien Pierre (Pau), Julien Bonnaire (Lyon), Mike Delany (NZL/Newcastle), Zac Guilford (NZL/Hawke's Bay), Julien Malzieu (Montpellier), Napolioni Nalaga (FIJ/Lyon), Jean-Marcellin Buttin (Bordeaux Begles).
Grenoble
Ins: Fabrice Estebanez (Lyon), Steven Setephano (NZL/Osaka), Alisona Taumalolo (TGA/Racing Metro), James Percival (ENG/Worcester)
Outs: Ross Skeate (RSA/Aix-en-Provence), Paul Willemse (RSA/Montpellier), Jono Owen (NZL/end of contract), Valentin Courrent (retired), Julien Caminati (Toulon), Albertus Buckle (RSA/Lyon/Pro D2), Naude Beukes (RSA/retired)
La Rochelle
Ins: David Roumieu (Bayonne), Ricky Januarie (RSA/Lyon), Zack Holmes (AUS/Western Force), David Raikuna (NZL/North Harbour), Benjamin Lapeyre (Racing Metro)
Outs: Rassie Van Vuuren (RSA/Bayonne), Cobus Grobler (RSA/retired), Loann Goujon (Bordeaux-Begles), Sireli Bobo (FIJ/Toulon), Peter Grant (RSA/Western Force), Albert Vuli Vuli (FIJ/Clermont), Gonzalo Canale (ITA/retired)
Montpellier
Ins: Jannie Du Plessis (RSA/Sharks), Bismarck Du Plessis (RSA/Sharks), Schalk Van der Merwe (RSA/Lions), Paul Willemse (RSA/Grenoble), Jacques Du Plessis (RSA/Bulls), Wiaan Liebenberg (RSA/Bulls), Pierre Spies (RSA/Bulls), Nic White (AUS/Brumbies), Cameron Wright (RSA/Sharks),Demetri Catrakilis (RSA/Stormers), Julien Malzieu (Clermont), Marvin O'Connor (Bayonne), Seveci Nakailagi (FIJ), Frans Steyn (RSA/Sharks), Jessie Mogg (AUS/Brumbies), Abdelatif Benazzi (manager), Craig Burden (RSA/Toulon), Bees Roux (RSA/Cheetahs), Andrew Smith (AUS/Munster),Jacobie Adriaanse (RSA/Scarlets), CJ Van Der Linde (RSA/Eastern Province Kings).
Outs: David Attoub (Lyon), Rene Ranger (NZL/Auckland Blues), Wynand Olivier (RSA/end of contract), Jonathan Pelissie (Toulon), Alex Tulou (SAM/Castres), Maximiliano Bustos (ARG/retired), Na'ama Leleimalefaga (SAM/Worcester), Chris King (NZL/Pau)
Oyonnax
Ins: Uwanakoro Tawalo (FIJ/Clermont), Fetu'u Vainikolo (TGA/Exeter), Eamonn Sheridan (IRL/London Irish), Nicky Robinson (WAL/Bristol), Piri Weepu (NZL/Wasps), George Robson (ENG/Harlequins), Stan Wright (NZL/Narbonne).
Outs: Christophe Urios (Castres/coach), Augustin Figuerola (ARG/Lyon), Benjamin Urdapilleta (ARG/Castres), Ruann Du Preez (RSA/Agen), Johnny Ngauamo (TGA/Mont-de-Marsan), Alexander Luatua (NZL/Aurillac), Hemani Paea (TGA/Lyon).
Pau
Ins: Mosese Ratuvou (FIJ/Lyon), Watisoni Votu (FIJ/Perpignan), Conrad Smith (NZL/Hurricanes), Colin Slade (NZL/Crusaders), Santiago Fernandez (ARG/Bayonne), Sean Dougall (IRL/Munster), Paddy Butler (IRL/Munster), Julien Pierre (Clermont), Euan Murray (SCO/Glasgow), Chris King (NZL/Montpellier).
Racing-Metro
Ins: Manuel Carizza (ARG/Stormers), Dan Carter (NZL/Crusaders), Martin Castrogiovanni (ITA/Toulon), Ross Filipo (NZL/Chiefs), Chris Masoe (NZL/Toulon), Nicolas Mirande (ARG/Tucuman), Yannick Nyanga (Toulouse), Remi Tales (Castres), Joe Rokocoko (NZL/Bayonne), Ben Tameifuna (NZL/Chiefs), Armand van der Merwe (RSA/Lions)
Outs: Jacques Cronje (RSA/retired), Benjamin Lapeyre (La Rochelle), Tomas Lavanini (ARG/Argentinian side for Super Rugby), Dan Lydiate (WAL/Ospreys), Brian Mujati (RSA/Sale/ENG), Adrien Plante (Clermont), Jamie Roberts (WAL/Harlequins), Jonathan Sexton (IRL/Leinster), Alisona Taumalolo (TGA/Grenoble)
Stade Francais
Ins: Willem Alberts (RSA/Sharks), Paul Alo-Emile (AUS/Rebels), Will Genia (AUS/Reds), Avenisi Vasuinubu (FIJ/Colomiers)
Outs: Jerome Fillol (retired), Krisnan Inu (NZL/Catalans Dragons - rugby league), Digby Ioane (AUS/Honda Heat), Monty Ioane (AUS/end of contract), Richard Kingi (AUS/end of contract), Juan Cruz Guillemain (ARG/Argentinian side for Super Rugby, David Lyons (AUS/end of contract), Pierre Rabadan (retired)
Toulon
Ins: Diego Dominguez (ARG/manager), Salesi Ma'afu (AUS/Northampton), Matt Stevens (ENG/Sharks), Paul O'Connell (IRL/Munster), Samu Manoa (USA/Northampton), Duane Vermeulen (RSA/Stormers), Jonathan Pelissie (Montpellier), Ma'a Nonu (NZL/Hurricanes), Mitchell Inman (AUS/Rebels), Sireli Bobo (FIJ/La Rochelle), James O'Connor (AUS/Reds), Lachie Turner (AUS/Reds).
Outs: Martin Castrogiovanni (ITA/Racing Metro), Carl Hayman (NZL/retired), Craig Burden (RSA/Montpellier), Bakkies Botha (RSA/retired), Ali Williams (NZL/retired), Chris Masoe (NZL/Racing Metro), Michael Claassens (RSA/Sharks), Juan Martin Hernandez (ARG/Argentinian side in Super Rugby), Rudi Wulf (NZL/Castres), David Smith (NZL/Castres).
Toulouse
Ins: David Mele (Leicester/ENG), Gert Muller (RSA/Bayonne), Semi Kunatani (FIJ), Tomas Leonardi (ARG/Edinburgh), Talalelei Gray (AUS/Waratahs)
Outs: Guy Noves (France/coach) Yannick Nyanga (Racing Metro), Shalk Ferreira (RSA/Eastern Province Kings), Jano Vermaak (RSA/Stormers), Chiliboy Ralepelle (RSA/end of contract)
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Nic White and Jesse Mogg might need to learn some Afrikaans as well as French.
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TOCC
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A wallaby to re-sign today... David Pocock perhaps?
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
^^ Nailed it @ Braveheart
http://www.rugby.com.au/News/NewsAr...th-the-Qantas-Wallabies-ahead-of-England.aspx
KB (Kurtley Beale) with Waratahs until end of 2017.
Bam Bam with Ponies until end of 2016.
http://www.rugby.com.au/News/NewsAr...th-the-Qantas-Wallabies-ahead-of-England.aspx
KB (Kurtley Beale) with Waratahs until end of 2017.
Bam Bam with Ponies until end of 2016.
Omar Comin'
Chilla Wilson (44)
Little bit disappointing Pocock's only signed for 1 more year. So long as he remains relatively injury free it'll be enough to get him to the 60 caps.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Cynic in me says that's the point and he'll be gone in 2017.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Richard Graham being re-appointed?
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TOCC
Guest
No he left the Tahs
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2bluesfan
Nev Cottrell (35)
I'm not 100% convinced that big Mike is "The Answer" but he's a helluva lot closer to the answer than just about anyone else in our immediate vicinity, or even the outlying areas. I've nothing against Tilse but if he ever was going to produce something, surely he'd have done it by now.
Reading between the lines, I think that they don't see Mike Ala'alatoa progressing quickly enough and are moving him on in favour of young guys coming through like Tom Robertson, Cameron Orr and Matt Sandell.
Tilse is still only 29 and I think the Tahs must be thinking that in 2016 he's still more match ready than Mike.
Tilse is still only 29 and I think the Tahs must be thinking that in 2016 he's still more match ready than Mike.
Bring Back The Ruck
Herbert Moran (7)
Well I am extremely biased but I think Mike has been fantastic in the ITM so far, ok Turbos got a hammering the other night but he has shown strength and skill in both the loose and in scrummaging.
I hope we have him for all of next year, but after that I think he will be lost to Australian rugby.
I hope we have him for all of next year, but after that I think he will be lost to Australian rugby.