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Aus conference finals run

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waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
For me it comes down to if Quade is coming back, when and if he is in form. QLD have got there forwards back in firm and with the F-twins back from injury are looking good for mine.

It's a real shame that Lilo went down for the brumbies, I hope they don't fail but at the same time he had such a huge influence on there Play to date I can't say I hold hope. QLD came back to the pack with a vengeance without Quade and they had 6 months to plan, for mine the brumbies will drop a few and if they make it, it will be close.

Waratahs seem gone, but I'm keeping the faith, if it's true Lachie is coming back soon, we could see two specialist wingers with speed and that could make a huge difference. I'm gonna say the Tahs clinch the playoff spot with a bonus point win in Brisbane come final round.
 

No4918

John Hipwell (52)
The Reds are still a shot at the top 6 but it will definitely be on the back of a couple of sides above them losing form quickly. 7 rounds is a long time in this comp so am still hopeful. No offence Brumbies fans but I think our best chance at doing well in the finals is with the Reds.
 

Shiggins

Simon Poidevin (60)
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The brumbies loosing LILO is terrible. The wallabies loosing LILO is terrible.
The guy is no doubt the in form 10 in Aus rugby and funnily enough veal is probably the next best thing with JOC (James O'Connor) and Quade injured ATM. Barnes isn't cutting it for me but plenty of time left.

IMO I think some or you are clutching at straws. The reds may have a very very slim chance for the fact they seem to be improving and did very well against the crusaders at home but no way in hell are the tahs going anywhere. It's not there year. The Brumbies look the goods. They actually remind me of the reds last year but if the reds lost Quade half way through there campaign last year does anyone think they would of won 2012. Now ask yourself "can the brumbies win Super Rugby 2013 without Christian Lealiifano". I fucking hope so.


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emuarse

Chilla Wilson (44)
I think WJ hit the nail on the head,
For me it comes down to if Quade is coming back
Quad Cooper will still be the best 5/8 in Aussi when he returns, initially off the bench.
He will be fresh & raring to go. In contrast the Brumbies will start to lose it without Lilo, just as the Reds did for the first part of the season.
With the rest of the Reds now playing with more commitment, I see them coming in on a wet sail (hopefully)
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
If the Reds don't win on sunday they are gone. I'd probably go as far to say they now need 3 in a row to have a chance of making the finals.
 
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AlexH

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The Sharks picked up the third wildcard spot last season with a total of 57 points. If we are to use history as a yardstick then the Reds and Waratahs would both fall short of securing a wildcard this season, even if they picked up six bonus point wins from their six remaining matches. At first glance it is a bit of a stretch to imagine that either the Reds or the Waratahs could make the finals unless they manage to knock off the Brumbies and win the Australian conference.

But when you have a bit of a closer look at the credentials of the other finals contenders the outlook does not look quite so grim. Let us presuppose that the Brumbies retain their position at the helm of the Australian conference and the Bull, Stormers, Chiefs and Crusaders all fight it out for the top honours in their respective conferences with the losers picking up wildcards -- not an entirely unreasonable proposition, no?

That would leave the Highlanders (34), Sharks (31), Hurricanes (30), Reds (26), Waratahs (26) and the dark horse Cheetahs (26) to fight it out for the remaining wildcard spot. The Cheetahs (26) have the toughest run home (Stormers, Sharks, Waratahs, Bye, Bulls, Stormers, Sharks) and with a base of 26 competition points it is hard to see them picking up enough points to earn a place in the finals. I do not have the gall to completely write them off though because they have been the competition's most improved team and have played some very enterprising rugby.

The Hurricanes (30) came out firing this season and caught a few teams off guard. They have looked pretty slick in attack and I have particularly enjoyed watching Beauden Barrett and Andre Taylor slice through defensive lines time after time. However, they have been exposed against quality opposition like the Crusaders (14-42) and Chiefs (14-33), been less than impressive at the breakdown and have conceded more points (289) than any team in the competition. Remembering that they have to play the Crusaders and Chiefs again as well as the Highlander, Brumbies and Waratahs, it is hard to imagine that they will accrue enough points to pick up the final wildcard.

The Highlanders (34) have looked pretty pedestrian on tour but will play out the remainder of the minor premiership in New Zealand which definitely does not hurt their chances. You would think they are going to pick up wins against the Hurricanes and Blues and have a red hot crack at the Reds, Bull, Chiefs and Crusaders but that all depends on whether they can find that form they showed at the start of the season. I would think the Highlanders would need to pick up at least four wins, plus a few bonus points to post the points tally in the mid-fifties they would need to hold out the Reds, Sharks and Waratahs. This seems like a pretty big ask for the Highlanders, given their current form, but if they can return to form a finals birth is definitely not beyond them.

The Sharks are the main contender for the final wildcard from my point of view. They are on 31 points and have, relatively speaking, an easy run home (Force, Cheetahs, Stormers, Lions, Bye, Bulls, Cheetahs). I have not seen much from the Sharks this season because I think they are boring to watch but they looked like they had it together against the Highlanders. They will probably need to upset either the Bulls or Stormers and cannot afford to lose any matches if they want to post a competitive competition points total.

I think it is reasonable to say that the biggest threat to the Reds and Waratahs wildcard ambitions are the Sharks and the Highlanders. If the Reds and Waratahs pick up five or six wins plus a few bonus points and other results fall their way I think they are in with a good chance. The other option is to take luck out of the equation and knock off the Brumbies who are currently nine points clear of them.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
for all the conference knockers, all i can say is that as an australian its done its job of making it exciting, it opens a lot of possibilities. i understand why its not everyones favourite thing, but i think it ads bucket loads to the competition.
 
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AlexH

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Agree. I just want the two games added so everyone plays everyone.

There are too many games in the season already as evidenced by the increasing incidence of player injury and burn out. Each team should play against every team once.
 

Brisbok

Cyril Towers (30)
There are too many games in the season already as evidenced by the increasing incidence of player injury and burn out. Each team should play against every team once.

I agree, but then that removes the need for the conference system. It's a tough one really. It needs to be addressed as it can never be fair if you are not playing every team at least once. I cannot come up with a possible solution though.
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
would be great. don't understand why south africa doesn't have time for it but wants to ad another team, doesn't make sense at all.

All these things are possible, BUT: we'll need significantly larger well paid squads, with no caps and quotas and salary restrictions. To permit more games, lower injury risks, attract in more players, and to reduce proven burn out risks for national players that play the whole year. All the above would, if well planned and imaginatively scheduled, grow the game in Australia.
 
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AlexH

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Anyone who would like to add to the discussion may use this spreadsheet I compiled at the beginning of the season to refer to at their leisure.
 

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Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Brumbies just have two games to focus on - the Derbies. Win those and you'd think they're home. While Lilo's injury is a tragedy all round, I actually reckon unlike the Reds, that back line runs far more like a unit that he slots into and his loss may not be so great as it could be.

Brumbies and Tahs have probably equally difficult runs home. For the Brumbies the games against Canes, Tahs and Reds are vital. For the Tahs they need to salvage points against the Stormers and not slip up against the Cheetahs or Canes. QLD simply need to win everything, and despite having the most difficult run, they are starting to hit form and I wouldn't bet against them doing that. Will be close.

I don't see how the Reds have the most difficult run at all. The majority of it is at home, including the Tah derby, whereas the Tahs have a trip to Saffaland to negotiate and 3 of the form teams to play.
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
Brumbies just have two games to focus on - the Derbies. Win those and you'd think they're home. While Lilo's injury is a tragedy all round, I actually reckon unlike the Reds, that back line runs far more like a unit that he slots into and his loss may not be so great as it could be......I don't see how the Reds have the most difficult run at all. The majority of it is at home, including the Tah derby, whereas the Tahs have a trip to Saffaland to negotiate and 3 of the form teams to play.

I tend to agree with all this. Not a perfect analogy, but along the above Gaggeresque lines, remember how NZ went catatonic and the national economy nearly collapsed when DC's groin gave way just pre RWC?

Well, the key response from the then ABs was to keep every other asset and mechanism of the team's play intact, and help the replacement 10s (all 3 of them?) slot calmly into well regimented routines and disciplines that would not alter, so nothing else failed around the new 10s. It all worked wonders and there was no AB collapse, and we all know how the story of the befallen champion AB 10 ended at Eden Park that October night.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Not sure you can come the reds and brumbies injury situations though. Brumbies haven't had 4 10s go down or 2 in one half of rugby. Reds were at times without their first choice 10, 12, 13 and 11. Pretty hard to fit a new 10 in with everyone else when everyone else ain't there either!
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Reds were at times without their first choice 10, 12, 13 and 11.

Not looking for sympathy but I reckon the Tahs could get close to that hospital list: down 2 (2), 4, 6 (2), 8, 11, 13, 14 & 15 at times.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Definitely. Although 2, 6, 8 and 13 are a given for you almost every year (6 just a given this year). :)
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Heard JdV this morning on radio. Said you need a decent sqaud of 40 players to stand any chance of winning this compo.
 
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