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ARU Junior Gold Cup - National Junior Championships

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Mr_Trash

Mr_Trash

Stan Wickham (3)
Lute said:
Could it be that the GPS boys don't weigh the Jgc as highly? as others??
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I think you'll find it's the schools themselves actively preventing their boys from trialling. One Brisbane GPS school in particular "asked" it's u15 scholarship boys to withdraw.
 
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Willie-John McBride

Herbert Moran (7)
Sunny said:
This is what JGC is supposed to be all about, giving opportunity to all. As some may know, there is plenty of talent running around that the GPS or AIC schools my have missed due to many reasons, but it's good to see others like yourself Gary are seeing this too.
As for GPS boy's choosing or maybe being told not to play JGC, well it's a legit pathway to Qld and they do select a state squad, so what kid wouldn't want a state gurney?
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GPS schools are entitled to protect their investments.

The problem with JGC is that I believe QRU/ARU have convinced players/parents that this is the right and only pathway unfortunately that's not true. Schools offer a pathway, through schoolboy state champs, Clubs offer a pathway through Junior state champs, Rugby league is a pathway now as more and more leaguies are winning scholarships and more recruiters are spotted at league carnivals than union carnivals, as a player you need to decide which pathway suits you best and will give you the best exposure.

Unfortunately having watched some JGC this year, looks like some boys are there simply making up numbers due to unavailability of "others" and I hope they all make the most of this opportunity to show what they can do, because the "others" will return.

In my opinion the quality also looks lower than in previous years

Talent and hard work will always win through
 
Tashara

Tashara

Larry Dwyer (12)
Willie-John McBride said:
GPS schools are entitled to protect their investments.

The problem with JGC is that I believe QRU/ARU have convinced players/parents that this is the right and only pathway unfortunately that's not true. Schools offer a pathway, through schoolboy state champs, Clubs offer a pathway through Junior state champs...
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There are other reasons why people choose JGC other than 'The Pathway' or being 'noticed'.

For some, it is an opportunity to play more competitive rugby games and therefore gain further development and experience. I think it's also a good option for those league boys who play union for their school and therefore gain additional competitive exposure to the game and training before their school season begins.

So it's not always 'the pathway' that motivates people's decisions. It is however a strange country we live in when the boys are pulled in all directions regarding their loyalty when all they want to do is 'play'.

edit: I do understand there are more commitments at the u17 level, but I mainly speak of the 15's.
 
Sunny

Sunny

Ted Fahey (11)
Willie-John McBride said:
GPS schools are entitled to protect their investments.

The problem with JGC is that I believe QRU/ARU have convinced players/parents that this is the right and only pathway unfortunately that's not true. Schools offer a pathway, through schoolboy state champs, Clubs offer a pathway through Junior state champs, Rugby league is a pathway now as more and more leaguies are winning scholarships and more recruiters are spotted at league carnivals than union carnivals, as a player you need to decide which pathway suits you best and will give you the best exposure.

Unfortunately having watched some JGC this year, looks like some boys are there simply making up numbers due to unavailability of "others" and I hope they all make the most of this opportunity to show what they can do, because the "others" will return.

In my opinion the quality also looks lower than in previous years

Talent and hard work will always win through
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Well you obviously don't rate anyone who is not in the GPS system.
 
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Willie-John McBride

Herbert Moran (7)
Sunny said:
Well you obviously don't rate anyone who is not in the GPS system.
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Its not that I do not rate them, its that inevitably if they have talent a GPS school will come knocking that's the reality of it, not all boys accept the invitations but most do, not all talent gets identified but most will - GPS schools have recruiters out there and they have at their disposal the resources that most professional teams do. Plus the offer of educational benefits

If the GPS boys choose not to do JGC then that gives other boys exposure to rep footy, where if they shine and play well a GPS school will come knocking
 
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Willie-John McBride

Herbert Moran (7)
Lion said:
WJM,

I have never heard the ARU or QRU tout JGC as the only pathway.
Infact they promote the JGC as an alternative. It is part of strategic plan to spread the catchment area of potential talent.

I have heard numerous rugby masters state that the only true pathway to Gold is the GPS system.

This is pure bile. The GPS system has its merits. However it is also handicapping Australian Rugby. I understand that it is not the GPS Schools role to promote or purely focus on rugby.

Some of the issue are,
  • Only a handful of competitive games in a limited season. Our boys play 8- 10 games 2-3 are training runs. The average NZ or English school boy plays 20-30 games per season.
  • Protecting (investments) players as mentioned above and limiting game experience and development.
  • A narrow catchment area with a concentrated population of middle Class Anglo Saxons. Supplemented mainly by Polynesians. This player pool is being further reduced by the growth in Chinese, Indian and other ethnicities that prefer soccer. EG Knox Grammar now has more Soccer teams than Rugby teams as does Brisbane Grammar.
  • Some GPS schools alignment with NRL clubs, producing talent that will not play senior rugby.
There is more that could be added to the list.


The ARU can not rely on the GPS system to identify and nurture its talent. GPS school have other priorities like education.

This is why JGC is so important to Australian Rugby.

Finally you are right in that the standard of some of the JGC is limited. However there is the majority of participants that now have a greater understanding of Rugby, have developed as Rugby player and hopefully have a greater appreciation or love of our great game.
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Agree with everything you say here Lion.
The school rugby system definitely needs and overhaul in my opinion, maybe ARU could take some control.
BTW - I take back my "right and only pathway line"
 
Sunny

Sunny

Ted Fahey (11)
Willie-John McBride said:
Its not that I do not rate them, its that inevitably if they have talent a GPS school will come knocking that's the reality of it, not all boys accept the invitations but most do, not all talent gets identified but most will - GPS schools have recruiters out there and they have at their disposal the resources that most professional teams do. Plus the offer of educational benefits

If the GPS boys choose not to do JGC then that gives other boys exposure to rep footy, where if they shine and play well a GPS school will come knocking
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True not all accept it, or can afford it or thier grade just don't quite cut it.
Fact remains that there are boys in JGC, who are regular Div 1 players, make BJRU and or City team, but haven't been approach by any GPS school.
JGC and club (BJRU) become the only avenues for these kids and it's not by their choice.
It's been a big move by rugby to introduce JGC and look outside the school system, and I belive it will pay off in the long run by making this move of widening their catchment.
 
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Willie-John McBride

Herbert Moran (7)
Sunny said:
True not all accept it, or can afford it or thier grade just don't quite cut it.
Fact remains that there are boys in JGC, who are regular Div 1 players, make BJRU and or City team, but haven't been approach by any GPS school.
JGC and club (BJRU) become the only avenues for these kids and it's not by their choice.
It's been a big move by rugby to introduce JGC and look outside the school system, and I belive it will pay off in the long run by making this move of widening their catchment.
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Thanks Sunny you are quite right of course.
JGC is a great concept for those kids you mention and for all those that are participating.
Make the most of the experience
 
Jets

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
Staff member
Lion said:
Ipswich JGC has a number of boys from Ipswich state high and independent schools.
These kids want to play rugby but there is little opportunity in the area.

I believe some of the narrow minded QLD GPS schools strongly discourage boys from participating in JGC.

I note the exception is Ipswich Grammar. IGS strongly encourages boys to play JGC. Especially the Rugby League boys. JGC doesn't interfere with the boys club RL or School Rugby and it gives the boys more experience and coaching in RU.
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They should all be encouraged to try out for Met West U15's then. They more rugby they play the better it is for them.
 
Jets

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
Staff member
Met West school trials on Tuesday 31 May at Ipswich Rangers Rugby Club. State champs are 28-31 July at the same ground.
 
Sunny

Sunny

Ted Fahey (11)
Prince Henry said:
Why do you think it was a boilover? JGC form thus far said this was probably even money bet.
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On form so far Gold hadn't last a game while NQ has not won one yet.
But that just changed and really opened up that pool for Ippy, if they win tonight.
Well done NQ lads, judging by the score it looked like a pretty good game.
 
Garry Owens

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
Prince Henry said:
Why do you think it was a boilover? JGC form thus far said this was probably even money bet.
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Not really

Gold spanked the Downs and Ipswich accounted for NQ handily where the scoreline was flattered by 2 x late tries when the result was in hand

NQ laid the smack down on Gold tonight and especially in the last 15m of the game
 
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