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daz

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I think the idea of picking apart a team that has been, and continues to be, the benchmark for world rugby is partly hilarious and partly ridiculous.

It doesn't matter a tin-foil hat what they "get away with".

Christ, if only the Wallabies had that kind of PR problem to go with a #1 ranking.

I'll see myself out.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Ok. It seams I'm the only person who thinks the all blacks use this as a tactic. They always roll towards the scrum half ( even when they could roll the opposite way) and then get up and block the blind side so that the scrum half has to avoid them or pass to the small side. Can anyone else agree with this?

It feels like I'm putting a gun to my head putting this up.
Interesting concept this. More worries for the Bokke on saturday
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/French-ref-a-concern-for-Boks-20130910
French ref a concern for Boks

2013-09-10 15:00

Brenden Nel - SuperSport
Cape Town - Richie McCaw may be out of Saturday’s Rugby Championship Test between the Springboks and All Blacks, but there is a concern about another breakdown influencer during the game.
According to the supersport.com website, Frenchman Romain Poite - who refereed the Boks’ win over Scotland in Nelspruit in June, has been appointed to handle the match.
Ireland's George Clancy was originally scheduled to be the man in the middle, but when Alain Rolland withdrew due to injury before the Brisbane Test last Saturday, Clancy stepped into the role and fulfilled his duties, with Welshman Nigel Owens flying in to be touch judge in the Boks 38-12 demolition of Australia.
The IRB decided on Poite as he was the next available referee and is highly regarded by the reffing selectors as he was also given one of the Test matches between the British and Irish Lions and Australia this year.
But it is the way that Poite reffed the breakdown against Scotland that has the Boks worried. Adaptability is the key in all respects when it comes to the whistleblowers, but it took the Boks almost an hour to adapt and ensure they got on top of Scotland in that game.
If the Boks take anywhere near that long this time around they will be in big trouble. Not only are the All Blacks the masters of the dark arts when it comes to the breakdown, but they are very effective as well.
What Scotland did in Nelspruit was take out the defender behind the ruck, opening up the gap for their halfbacks to attack. It was a ploy that should have been penalised severely but Poite let it go, confounding the Bok problems on the day.
The All Blacks are very experienced when it comes to taking up space beyond the ruck, and removing defending players, so the Boks will have to once again ensure they face the threat and put extra effort into protecting their ball if Poite is in the same mood this weekend.
But while the Boks will ultimately remind Poite of Nelspruit and hope he will make the breakdown a fair contest, they have a pretty solid argument for doing so.
Looking at the stats of the Brisbane win the Boks made 17 turnovers in the game, a massive 14 of which were at the breakdown. Two of those turnovers resulted in tries for Jean de Villiers and Willie le Roux.
More impressive from the stats was the defence, which saw Australia only make two line breaks in the game. The Bok tackle count was 115 and they tackled at a massive 93% success rate.
If they can replicate these statistics this weekend they may not have to worry about Poite, although the wish would be that like any referee, he be consistent, allow a contest and allow teams to get quick ball to play with.
 
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Hi Paarl, me old mate. I'm certain the Springbok pack will not allow the All Black pack to practice the "dark arts" at the breakdown. SA media has softened the ref up nicely ahead of the game too! Bonus point victory to the Springboks is the only outcome I can see.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Hi Paarl, me old mate. I'm certain the Springbok pack will not allow the All Black pack to practice the "dark arts" at the breakdown. SA madia has softened the ref up nicely ahead of the game too. Bonus point victory to the Springboks is the only outcome I can see.
French refs struggle with our Saffer english Boet. Good to see you are still alive and kicking. Going to the test?
 
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Muttonbird

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French refs struggle with our Saffer english Boet. Good to see you are still alive and kicking. Going to the test?

Yeah, still around but have taken a few knocks of late. Unfortunately not going to the test match. Will be glued to the screen though.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Yeah, still around but have taken a few knocks of late. Unfortunately not going to the test match. Will be glued to the screen though.
Myself will braai a tough mutton choppie if the Boks can just hold the All Blacks from scoring 4 tries in this one. I am more worried about the French ref watching those scrum tactics Crockett and Franks use. Hands on the deck, illegal binding they got away so often during S15 rugby. 1st phase will be vital in this one.
 

Shiggins

Simon Poidevin (60)

They did it a lot to the argies. A player would clean someone out and stay offside, then play would go past them and they could support or
Clean out again never having to retreat. As someone else mentioned this is not illegal. Only if someone who is not apart of the ruck is cleaned out. I'm looking forward to this game on Saturday. It will be the game of the rugby championship in my opinion.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
They did it a lot to the argies. A player would clean someone out and stay offside, then play would go past them and they could support or
Clean out again never having to retreat. As someone else mentioned this is not illegal. Only if someone who is not apart of the ruck is cleaned out. I'm looking forward to this game on Saturday. It will be the game of the rugby championship in my opinion.
This is where the Bok cleaners like Vermeulen, Battleship, Etsebeth and Klein Flippie have to be ruthless. Pretty sure Meyer will have this covered. Vermeulen specialize in this role and is excellent in defense, ditto Etsebeth (they always took them a few meters back in the tackle. Big differense between him and Spies.
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
hope the Boks play like last week against Aust.

They were tough and uncomprimising.

The AB's have to lose one day - maybe Saturday would be a good start. - we'll see.
 

Shiggins

Simon Poidevin (60)
This is where the Bok cleaners like Vermeulen, Battleship, Etsebeth and Klein Flippie have to be ruthless. Pretty sure Meyer will have this covered. Vermeulen specialize in this role and is excellent in defense, ditto Etsebeth (they always took them a few meters back in the tackle. Big differense between him and Spies.
Yeh that's it. It's what the wallabies have lacked recently. We have no muscle at all. Give it a week and Kearnse will be yelling bring back the beef or mongrel or something. Haha. I'm backing the boks this weekend!
 

Shiggins

Simon Poidevin (60)
Something new

The all blacks have to be the best in the word at charge downs from box kicks. They are so goo at it they managed to get a penalty when the boks obstructed the all black defensive players trying to charge it down. Great play really. They really target it and make the referee think about that part of the game.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Shiggins

Simon Poidevin (60)

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Hahaha. Well yeah not new but its defiantly becoming more and more important in there game. To the point they are winning penalties because of attacking playing screening. The all blacks charge down 25% of
Box kicks. Total fucking guess lol. But because of that the refs notice guys getting blocked more.


See the thread "There Their They're".
 

Dam0

Dave Cowper (27)
I can assure you that plenty of refs had a broad smile after Poite pinged the Saffers for that. For too long players have stood offside to the side of rucks where they have won the ball, and referees at the top level have ignored it. Poite did the right thing, he mentioned it to JDV the first time and then had to ping it the second time. They made it rather obvious by changing their line also to obstruct the player. Providing a bit of a screen is one thing, but don't take the piss.
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
The lack of quality in your expression belies a lack of effort, which shows me that you do not value your own thoughts and opinions enough to write to a high standard. In my mind, if YOU don't value your words, why should I?
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Did you understand what Shiggins was saying? Writing is a form of communication and communication is about the ability to transfer ideas, thoughts and expressions to another person. If you understood what Shiggins was trying to say, does it really matter if he used the wrong 'their/there'? Especially in this forum?

If you were listening to him saying the words instead of reading it, do you wonder which 'there' he's thought of in his mind?

Surely the quality of the expression is found in the content and the validity of the what's being expressed, not in how it's spelt.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Did you understand what Shiggins was saying? Writing is a form of communication and communication is about the ability to transfer ideas, thoughts and expressions to another person. If you understood what Shiggins was trying to say, does it really matter if he used the wrong 'their/there'? Especially in this forum?

If you were listening to him saying the words instead of reading it, do you wonder which 'there' he's thought of in his mind?

Surely the quality of the expression is found in the content and the validity of the what's being expressed, not in how it's spelt.
Suppose many on here struggling with my pigeon english. :oops:
 
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