2018 TV ratings and crowd numbers

[wamberal]

Well then if our game is so complicated, you could argue all the more reason to create a more local and tribal competition.

Well, yes. That is an option. Semi-professionalism, here we come.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Reds v chiefs - 49k
Crusaders v sunwolves - 33k

Haven't seen a crowd figure for NSW or Qld. Anyone?

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[Killer]

The Waratahs are playing rugby. Not very well. A game which Australians do not like very much, except at the very highest level. Although the Shute Shield is going okay.



The thing about the AFL is that anybody can walk into a game and pretty quickly pick up what the rules are. Basically, there are only two. Don't drop the ball. Don't hold the man with the ball.


Compare and contrast with our game. Apart from the very highest level, or the club level, the rules and officiating are virtually incomprehensible.

no not correct, AFL rules are completely incomprehensible to some one who has not been brought up with the game or become a student of it.
For a start the players are spread all over the ground, what other major sport does this?
They just have a local comp, a draft, long term tribalism from previous comps and an independent board and management that controls the game.
Rugby is currently just a ever decreasing bunch of inbred's fighting each other for scraps.

 

[wamberal]

Dear oh bloody dear. Are you serious? Maybe I am a bit above average intelligence, but I can remember watching it when it was first telecast in Sydney as a lad, black and white from memory, and I thought it was bloody interesting right from the start.



If you find the rules "incomprehensible", that says more about you than it says about the rules, my friend. Go to a game. The thing that struck me when I moved to Melbourne and started going to see a few club games, was that the crowd was far more representative of the general population that rugby or rugby league in those days (more women, for a start), and the crowds were always engaged and vocal. Again, unlike rugby in particular. Clap clap clap.


The simple fact is that AFL is now, and has been for many many years, a far far more popular sport in Australia than ours.


You can blame the current administration for past 100 years, I suppose. But it seems like a pretty intellectually barren argument to make.

 

[Killer]

Dear oh bloody dear. Are you serious? Maybe I am a bit above average intelligence, but I can remember watching it when it was first telecast in Sydney as a lad, black and white from memory, and I thought it was bloody interesting right from the start.



If you find the rules "incomprehensible", that says more about you than it says about the rules, my friend. Go to a game. The thing that struck me when I moved to Melbourne and started going to see a few club games, was that the crowd was far more representative of the general population that rugby or rugby league in those days (more women, for a start), and the crowds were always engaged and vocal. Again, unlike rugby in particular. Clap clap clap.


The simple fact is that AFL is now, and has been for many many years, a far far more popular sport in Australia than ours.


You can blame the current administration for past 100 years, I suppose. But it seems like a pretty intellectually barren argument to make.

I live in Perth Einstein, I have been to many, the new stadium is absolutely unbelievably good. In fact I was there 2/3 weeks back with 55k others to see a very close match with Geelong.

Edit: did you see my point re independent management and board as Redshappy also said?
There is no independent board etc in rugby, they are just extensions of who voted them in.
As I intimated, no leadership just a bunch of individual's fighting for a ever decreasing number of scraps.

 

[RedsHappy]

Dear oh bloody dear. Are you serious? Maybe I am a bit above average intelligence, but I can remember watching it when it was first telecast in Sydney as a lad, black and white from memory, and I thought it was bloody interesting right from the start.



If you find the rules "incomprehensible", that says more about you than it says about the rules, my friend. Go to a game. The thing that struck me when I moved to Melbourne and started going to see a few club games, was that the crowd was far more representative of the general population that rugby or rugby league in those days (more women, for a start), and the crowds were always engaged and vocal. Again, unlike rugby in particular. Clap clap clap.


The simple fact is that AFL is now, and has been for many many years, a far far more popular sport in Australia than ours.


You can blame the current administration for past 100 years, I suppose. But it seems like a pretty intellectually barren argument to make.

Which form of argument is more defensible over time: one, the notion that a code's administration has little responsibility for that code's survival and prosperity as that code is simply destined for declining marginality vs the greater attraction of other competing codes OR two, a highly paid administration has direct responsibility, no matter how minor the code comparatively, to optimise that code's performance and sustain its credibility and attractiveness with its fan base and other stakeholders.

The rational derivate of the former of the above two propositions is that that administration should either not exist - as it has limited or no sustainable value - or be of a very low cost, dealing with legal or regulatory issues only, type. This being the case, there is barely any argument for having an administration at all and that rugby (in Australia, uniquely) should have just shut up shop perhaps 15+ or so years ago.

This would make, or have made, Australia virtually the only original rugby playing country in the world where such a negative 'total destruct' outcome was proven to be the only possible or pre-destined outcome.

Curious then that (a) in soccer-mad Europe rugby is now consistently growing and (b) in NFL and soccer dominated USA rugby and rugby 7s are both growing well.

 

[The Honey Badger]

Basically, there are only two. Don't drop the ball. Don't hold the man with the ball.

Thank you.

That's the first time anyone has explained it to me.

Fuck, silly me. I thought it was a kick and catch game.

Now I might understand it better.


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[Strewthcobber]

14,002 at Suncorp for Reds v Chiefs

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[Aurelius]

14,002 at Suncorp for Reds v Chiefs

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6,751 at the Fed Cup tie in Wollongong.

I don't know if that's good or bad for that type of fixture, but it beats the hell out of 5538 in the Sporting Capital of the World.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Apparently, 8056 or thereabouts at Canberra Stadium yesterday.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Brumbies game didn't make top 20 so may not get a rating, but it's less than 44k. Supercars take up a lot of spots

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[RedsHappy]

14,002 at Suncorp for Reds v Chiefs

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No disrespect to you Sc, but that is another 'designer crowd number' from the QRU. No way was Suncorp just over 25% full. The ',002' is suspicious as well.

I'd estimate 8-9,000 max closer to the truth.

EDIT: The QRU's last virtual bankruptcy, nadir year was 2009. That year the Reds' very last Super Round game was at Suncorp on 16 May. Vs the 'Canes. Lost 28-37. The crowd was 19,025.

 

[Rebelsfan]

14,002 at Suncorp for Reds v Chiefs

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for a stadium that holds 52000 you think it was 1/4 full, sorry , no way in hell was there one person for every four seats there were massive expanses on the ends that were totally empty

 

[Silverado]

I would prefer not to, thank you. From my experience, anybody who wants to descend to insults is not worth the trouble.

How about not replying to posts you don't agree with a condescending put down. I don't want to talk to you either Einstein


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[half]

You can blame the current administration for past 100 years, I suppose. But it seems like a pretty intellectually barren argument to make.

HHHHmmmmmm but but but but.

If you understand this as a management then you need to take special care to adopt "best practice" management.

Not to apply best practice in circumstances like we have boarders on negligence, but to allow a process to develop or not correct past poor practices is not what we need.

 

[wamberal]

HHHHmmmmmm but but but but.

If you understand this as a management then you need to take special care to adopt "best practice" management.

Not to apply best practice in circumstances like we have boarders on negligence, but to allow a process to develop or not correct past poor practices is not what we need.

Again I will just point out that management can only be judged by their effectivenss at managing the factors under their control.


Do you accept, yes or no, that the greater majority of factors that influence the success or failure of our game are totally outside the control of us, management, supporters, players, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all?


That fact is the reason that our fate is just not in our hands, it would not matter how effective we were, or are, or will be.


I keep homing in on this point, because I have had a long working life, have worked for some very average organisations, and a couple that were world class in some respects. Ironically, one of those was a sporting organisation (not in rugby, and not in Australia) which was a giant in the sport, and hugely profitable.


The main reason that it was so popular was that it had a virtual monopoly of a kind, in a rich market. The management was okay, but certainly not world-class, and yet the financial and other results were world class. That is because the factors that were not in management's control were factors that virtually ensured success. It would have taken a very stupid (indeed deliberately awful) management to have stuffed things up.


The sooner we accept that harping on about management as the only thing we have to change to save us, the sooner we will face the real problems. Solving the real problems will require a total shift in attitude by all of us.


You, me, everybody who loves the game. We all have a responsibility to work together, cooperatively, and selflessly. Some will win, some will lose, but that is inevitable for the game to survive at a level.


I know you think there are simple answers. I can only say that if there are simple answers, they have eluded us as a game in Australia for the last 100 years.

 

[liquor box]

for a stadium that holds 52000 you think it was 1/4 full, sorry , no way in hell was there one person for every four seats there were massive expanses on the ends that were totally empty

Does anyone know if there is a definitive way to count the crowd, it seems bums on seats is not the way the teams do it.

Is it prepaid ticketed members plus anyone else who attends.

So if there are 10000 ticketed members and 4002 other people turn up the total becomes 14002. If only 5000 of the ticketed members showed up then the "real number" of bums on seats would be 9002 with an income of 14002 seats.

 

[Rebelsfan]

Does anyone know if there is a definitive way to count the crowd, it seems bums on seats is not the way the teams do it.

Is it prepaid ticketed members plus anyone else who attends.

So if there are 10000 ticketed members and 4002 other people turn up the total becomes 14002. If only 5000 of the ticketed members showed up then the "real number" of bums on seats would be 9002 with an income of 14002 seats.

I think that is how it is done

 

[charlesalan]

Again I will just point out that management can only be judged by their effectivenss at managing the factors under their control.


Do you accept, yes or no, that the greater majority of factors that influence the success or failure of our game are totally outside the control of us, management, supporters, players, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all?


That fact is the reason that our fate is just not in our hands, it would not matter how effective we were, or are, or will be.


I keep homing in on this point, because I have had a long working life, have worked for some very average organisations, and a couple that were world class in some respects. Ironically, one of those was a sporting organisation (not in rugby, and not in Australia) which was a giant in the sport, and hugely profitable.


The main reason that it was so popular was that it had a virtual monopoly of a kind, in a rich market. The management was okay, but certainly not world-class, and yet the financial and other results were world class. That is because the factors that were not in management's control were factors that virtually ensured success. It would have taken a very stupid (indeed deliberately awful) management to have stuffed things up.


The sooner we accept that harping on about management as the only thing we have to change to save us, the sooner we will face the real problems. Solving the real problems will require a total shift in attitude by all of us.


You, me, everybody who loves the game. We all have a responsibility to work together, cooperatively, and selflessly. Some will win, some will lose, but that is inevitable for the game to survive at a level.


I know you think there are simple answers. I can only say that if there are simple answers, they have eluded us as a game in Australia for the last 100 years.

Sorry, I cant agree with you. The management team are paid the big bucks to find solutions and drive success.
AFL was in the doldrums not so long ago and now it is the poster boy for Sports Management 301 at Universities and compared favourably to NFL management and Olympic management.
Our managers are too busy shaking hands with each other and sipping Shiraz over rare roast beef canapes to do their job (IMNSHO) and have implemented a God awful strategy of shrinking to greatness and seem to have supporters like you who blame everyone else and try to shrug your shoulders saying oh well it was out of their control you vindicate their uselessness

 

[wamberal]

I am a supporter of the game, mate, and have been since long before you saw the light of day, I would guess. I have seen the ups (which were not all that up), and the many downs.


I must have missed the AFL doldrums. Can you give me a bit more information? And while you are at it, how exactly do you know how our management, or theirs for that matter, spends its time?