2016 Under-20 Rugby World Championships - Manchester UK

[Sideline Eye]

an error in the scrapbook for Mafi listed on the Red's website. Says he was an Aust Schoolboy in 2014, but he was only selected in 2013.

I think Alex was selected in 2014, but ruled out due to injury?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

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Reds website story*

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* The Reds website has been fixed. Must follows G&GR

Then they probably should change this for the Big Fellow as well:
Representative honours: Combined States Under-20s (2014), NSW Under-20s (2015), Australian Under 20s (2015).
to:
Representative honours: Combined States Under-18s (2014), NSW Under-20s (2015), Australian Under 20s (2015).

 

[Forcefield]

I don't know the answer but it would seem that the Australian Under 20 team is not covered by Regulation 8 in the WR (World Rugby) Handbook:

Does the eligibility criteria apply to all forms of Rugby?​

​

The eligibility criteria applies to the fifteen-a-side Game at senior and next senior National Representative level and in respect of a Union’s senior National Representative Sevens Team.​

​

Not relevant to the question, but he would obviously require 36 months residency for national senior selection.

It must do in some way. One of our WA boys Auega Seumanutafa was the player of tournament in the southern states but not eligible for u20s

 

[kiap]

It must do in some way. One of our WA boys Auega Seumanutafa was the player of tournament in the southern states but not eligible for u20s

Could it be under another section or another document?

What I copied above is a direct quote.

 

[Seymour Butz]

Whose coaching Aussie under 20s next year?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/Ne...-and-South-Premier-Colts-teams-announced.aspx

These two teams will play against each-other as a curtain raiser to the opening match of the 2015 Buildcorp National Rugby Championship (NRC) season, between reigning champions McInnes Wilson Lawyers Brisbane City and Perth Spirit at Ballymore on Thursday 20 August.

This match helps form part of the selection process for the Reds Under-20s program ahead of the 2016 National Under-20s Championships.

PREMIER NORTH COLTS
FORWARDS
Bronson TAUAKIPULU, Wests
Hamish RICHARDSON, University
Josh WEBB, University
Robert McCAFFERY, Brothers
Zion RETO, GPS
Jacob PINKNEY, Norths
Angus SCOTT- YOUNG, University
Lorenzo AINUU, University
Dalton COX, GPS
Connor ANDERSON, Norths
Matt GIQUEL, GPS
Connor MORONEY, University
Jamason SCHULTZ, University
Jayden RODWELL, GPS
Rhys MARTIN, Brothers

BACKS
Angus FOWLER, Brothers
Harry PARCELL, GPS
Alex HORAN, University
Sam HICKS, Brothers
Jono JENKINS, University
George PARTRIDGE, Brothers
Sam EDWARDS, University
Bronson TAHITI, Wests
Clifton SETU, University
Jacob MANNING, GPS

COACH/ Coordinator: Lachlan PARKINSON
Assistant Coach: Elton BERRANGE

PREMIER SOUTH COLTS
FORWARDS
Abdala FRANKO, Sunnybank
Ritchie ASIATA, Easts
Paulo LELEEISUAO, Sunnybank
William MARSCHALLEK, Bond
Josh TAYLOR, Bond
Johann KOORTS, Sunnybank
Ben PETAIA, Sunnybank
Eramasi GANITA, Sunnybank
Mitchell SCHNIDER, Easts
Liam CLIFTON, Bond
Tuaina TUALIMA, Sunnybank
Liam WRIGHT, Easts
Kurdis FAAGASE, Sunnybank
PJ VAN DEN BERG, Bond
Karem TUUGA, Bond

BACKS
Eli PILZ, Easts
Max DEMPSEY, Sunnybank
Jake STRACHEN, Sunnybank
Fred DORROUGH, Sunnybank
Todd DAWSON, Easts
Joey FITTOCK, Sunnybank
Antoine PEREIRA IOSEFA, Sunnybank
Jezzy IONE, Sunnybank
Liam McNAMARRA, Sunnybank
Rodney PITA, Souths

COACH/ Coordinator: Tyrell BARKER
Assistant Coach: Damon VIRTUE

A couple of the usual suspects names like Harley FOX, Shambeckler VUI, Tyrone SOUTHORN, James McCOLL, Jim HENJAK etc missing from the above list. Some possibly due to being parachuted into Reds (EPS or main squad), NRC squads or injuries.

Also good to see some names that are unfamiliar to the Trainspotters.

 

[Delphy]

If anyone is watching NRC lists with an eye to Manchester, Perth Spirit has listed Hayden Anderson (2015 Australian 20's extended squad) and Nicholas Jooste (20's eligible for both 2016 and 2017).

 

[TOCC]

Strange they went for Premier Norths Colts and Premier Souths Colts as the team names, why not loosely align the playing group with Brisbane City and Queensland Country and just make it U20 versions of those teams.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Some NRC Squads have been finalised, and include players eligible for 2016 Under 20 Championships. Probably more to come in the next week as the squads get finalised.

In the mix for 2016 (Updated)

Incumbents from 2015 Australian Team
Lukhan LEALAIAULOTO-TUI, Randwick, NSW - now signed to Reds. 2015 Qld Country NRC (may not appear in NRC due surgery and Team Rehab).
Sione TUIPOLOTU, Southern, Vic. 2015 Melbourne Rising NRC
James TUTTLE, GPS, QLD. Reds 2016 contracted player. 2015 Qld Country NRC.
Campbell MAGNAY, GPS, QLD. Reds 2016 contracted player. 2015 Qld Country NRC.
Harry NUCIFORA, Bond University, QLD. 2015 Qld Country NRC.
Tyrel LOMAX, Tuggeranong, ACT. 2015 Canberra Vikings NRC
Team Rehab: Henry HUTCHISON, Randwick, NSW. May miss NRC due to 2015 Youth Commonwealth Games 7's representative duties.
Joey FITTOCK, Sunnybank, Qld (Injury replacement used at the Oceania U20 Tournament) - QLD Premier South Colts

There is no guarantee that the "Incumbents" will be reselected, but having found favour with the selectors this year, there is a fairly good chance that the majority of these will similarly find favour in 2016.

Additionally these young men found favour with other nations selectors in 2015, and are believed to be eligible for Australia in 2016:
Ah-mu TUIMALEALIIFANO, Harlequins, Vic, Samoa 2015
Vunipola FIFITA, Randwick, NSW, Tonga 2015
Siuta (Timote) TAI, Royals, ACT, Tonga 2015
Sam TABUATAMATA, Gordon, NSW, Fiji 2015

Others in the "Born in 1996 or earlier" cohort, with experience at National U20 Championships include:
Qld U20 "Incumbents" from 2015
Izack RODDA - Easts, QLD. now signed to Reds. Doesn't appear in one of the 2015 QRU NRC teams due to surgery and Team Rehab conflicting with NRC schedule.
Harley FOX - Easts, QLD
Izaia PERESE - Easts, QLD - 2015 Qld Country NRC.
Shambeckler VUI - University, QLD
Angus SCOTT-YOUNG - University, QLD - QLD Premier North Colts
Tuaina TUALIMA - Sunnybank, QLD - QLD Premier South Colts
Alex MAFI - Bond University, QLD. (Team Rehab) - now signed to Reds. 2015 Qld Country NRC.

Barbarians U20 "Incumbents" from 2015
Nili FIELEA - Cottesloe, WA
Jamie KOTZ - Gungahlin, ACT
Jordon FULIVAI - Gungahlin, ACT - Not considered for 2015 Canberra Vikings NRC due injury.
Phil BRADFORD - Wanderers, Newcastle, NSW
Jordan JACKSON-HOPE - Tuggeranong, ACT
RJ SA'AGA - Melbourne University, VIC
Ta HOSEA - Harlequin, VIC

NSW U20 "Incumbents" from 2015
Ed CRAIG, Eastwood, NSW
Francis BROWN, Sydney University, NSW

There is no guarantee that these "incumbents" will be re-selected for their state team/Barbarians again, nor that they have the capability to step up to the National level solely because they have attended a previous National Championships, but they represent a good start point for discussions on selections.

Wildcard (checking on eligibility)
Taniela TUPOU, Brothers, QLD - 2015 Qld Country NRC

Additional "Bolters" in 2015 NRC squads:
James WILKINSON, Gordon Shute Shield, NSW. 2015 North Harbour Rays NRC
Nicholas JOOSTE, Hale School, WA. 2015 Perth Spirit NRC
Moses SOROVI, University, QLD - 2015 Brisbane City NRC
Maclean JONES, University, QLD - 2015 Qld Country NRC WTG


Where the above all fit in a team?
Prop:
Taniela TUPOU
Francis BROWN
RJ SA'AGA
Shambeckler VUI
Vunipola FIFITA
Tyrel LOMAX

Hooker
James WILKINSON
Ed CRAIG
Alex MAFI
Siuta (Timote) TAI

Lock
Tuaina TUALIMA
Angus SCOTT-YOUNG
Izack RODDA
Lukhan LEALAIAULOTO-TUI

Back Row
Ta HOSEA
Harley FOX
Maclean JONES

Halfbacks
Harry NUCIFORA
James TUTTLE
Moses SOROVI

Flyhalf
Nicholas JOOSTE
Jordan JACKSON-HOPE

Centres
Izaia PERESE
Sam TABUATAMATA
Ah-mu TUIMALEALIIFANO
Henry HUTCHISON
Sione TUIPOLOTU

Back Three
Campbell MAGNAY
Jordon FULIVAI
Jamie KOTZ
Nili FIELEA
Joey FITTOCK


Edit: Additional NRC Players added as Squads have been announced.

 

[Delphy]

Great list HJ.

Don't forget Hayden Anderson in the back row. Should probably be listed as a Barbarians incumbent given that he played for Australia in the Oceania Rugby Junior Championship but didn't survive the JWC cut.

I don't have a birth date for him but he played in the 2013 WA Schoolboys team so should be eligible.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^If he was only 17 at Nationals in 2013, then he may be eligible as Under 20 in 2016.

I am not all that familiar with the WA schooling system, but I know of at least one talented player from WA who was at 2014 Nationals and left school in 2014 as a 17 year old.

Perhaps Hayden is in the same category. Usually most players at Nationals (less about 60% of the Qld crew) are already 18, so the 2013 Nationals players generally get a tilt at 2014 and 2015 Under 20's. There are always exceptions, like Sione Tuipolotu, and Henry Hutchison etc who get three goes after school. If someone can confirm that Hayden is age eligible for 2016, then I will add him to the list.

 

[Delphy]

^^^Good point.

I was relying on the fact that up to and including 2013, year 12's in WA were (generally speaking) 16 as at 1 January. Hayden originally came from NZ so maybe he was a little older. I will see what I can find out.

Since 2014 WA leavers are in the same boat as NSW. However, there was some fudging during the first year of the new system and private schools happily accepted boys "early" if they were ready. That is why you had some 2014 boys finishing school as 17 year olds.

 

[Delphy]

**Update**

Anderson not eligible for 20's. Why do I even begin to doubt you HJ?

 

[Johnny13]

http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/Ne...-and-South-Premier-Colts-teams-announced.aspx

These two teams will play against each-other as a curtain raiser to the opening match of the 2015 Buildcorp National Rugby Championship (NRC) season, between reigning champions McInnes Wilson Lawyers Brisbane City and Perth Spirit at Ballymore on Thursday 20 August.

This match helps form part of the selection process for the Reds Under-20s program ahead of the 2016 National Under-20s Championships.

PREMIER NORTH COLTS
FORWARDS
Bronson TAUAKIPULU, Wests
Hamish RICHARDSON, University
Josh WEBB, University
Robert McCAFFERY, Brothers
Zion RETO, GPS
Jacob PINKNEY, Norths
Angus SCOTT- YOUNG, University
Lorenzo AINUU, University
Dalton COX, GPS
Connor ANDERSON, Norths
Matt GIQUEL, GPS
Connor MORONEY, University
Jamason SCHULTZ, University
Jayden RODWELL, GPS
Rhys MARTIN, Brothers

BACKS
Angus FOWLER, Brothers
Harry PARCELL, GPS
Alex HORAN, University
Sam HICKS, Brothers
Jono JENKINS, University
George PARTRIDGE, Brothers
Sam EDWARDS, University
Bronson TAHITI, Wests
Clifton SETU, University
Jacob MANNING, GPS

COACH/ Coordinator: Lachlan PARKINSON
Assistant Coach: Elton BERRANGE

PREMIER SOUTH COLTS
FORWARDS
Abdala FRANKO, Sunnybank
Ritchie ASIATA, Easts
Paulo LELEEISUAO, Sunnybank
William MARSCHALLEK, Bond
Josh TAYLOR, Bond
Johann KOORTS, Sunnybank
Ben PETAIA, Sunnybank
Eramasi GANITA, Sunnybank
Mitchell SCHNIDER, Easts
Liam CLIFTON, Bond
Tuaina TUALIMA, Sunnybank
Liam WRIGHT, Easts
Kurdis FAAGASE, Sunnybank
PJ VAN DEN BERG, Bond
Karem TUUGA, Bond

BACKS
Eli PILZ, Easts
Max DEMPSEY, Sunnybank
Jake STRACHEN, Sunnybank
Fred DORROUGH, Sunnybank
Todd DAWSON, Easts
Joey FITTOCK, Sunnybank
Antoine PEREIRA IOSEFA, Sunnybank
Jezzy IONE, Sunnybank
Liam McNAMARRA, Sunnybank
Rodney PITA, Souths

COACH/ Coordinator: Tyrell BARKER
Assistant Coach: Damon VIRTUE

A couple of the usual suspects names like Harley FOX, Shambeckler VUI, Tyrone SOUTHORN, James McCOLL, Jim HENJAK etc missing from the above list. Some possibly due to being parachuted into Reds (EPS or main squad), NRC squads or injuries.

Also good to see some names that are unfamiliar to the Trainspotters.

Strong reports after the Sunnybank and Easts semi final game was Harley Fox has played his last game in Queensland rugby? Anyone know why he wouldn't be picked in either of these teams.
Even if places like fox and vui were considered for NRC wouldn't they play like North or South like Campbell Magnay last year...

 

[Getwithme]

Sham Vui is an absolute beast. Harley to me has potential but is very raw. Heard they were mooving him to prop.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^ Harley Fox was a prop at Under16's National Championships in 2012 IIRC.

Edit: The 2012 National U16 programme says he was the Queensland Red #17 - Reserve LHP.

 

[Johnny13]

Sham Vui is an absolute beast. Harley to me has potential but is very raw. Heard they were mooving him to prop.

From what I've heard he isn't with the reds. He has moved to another Super Rugby club. He would be wasted at prop.

 

[PaarlBok]

the usual SA/England/Wales/Italy/France schoolboy matches starts tomorrow.

Friday, 7 August – City Park Stadium, Cape Town
12h00 – SA Schools A vs Italy U18
14h00 – England U18 vs France U18
16h00 – SA Schools vs Wales U18
Tuesday, 11 August – Outeniqua Park, George
13h00 – SA Schools A vs England U18
15h00 – Wales U18 vs Italy U18
17h00 – SA Schools vs France U18
Saturday, 15 August – City Park Stadium Cape Town
11h00 – SA Schools A vs Wales U18
13h00 – France U18 vs Italy U18
15h00 – SA Schools vs England U18

 

[Hugh Jarse]

From what I've heard he isn't with the reds. He has moved to another Super Rugby club. He would be wasted at prop.

Interesting news. There are only 5 Super Rugby clubs in Oz. By inference it is not the Reds. If it was Ponies, Rebels or Force, it is be assumed that he would be in the Canberra Vikings, Melbourne Rising or Perth Spirit NRC teams. So far those squads have been announced and there is no H Fox in them.

Are you suggesting that he will be crossing the Tweed and playing for the Tahs?
The NSW Country Eagles, North Harbour Rays, Greater Sydney Rams NRC squads have been announced (each seem to have a couple of TBA's left to fill) with no Fox.
The wild card could be the Sydney Stars who have been very quiet to date regarding their squad, however it probably won't look too dissimilar to that which The Corporation are fielding in the Shute Shield Finals.

 

[Happy to Chat]

Would there be any likely candidates from this years schoolboy team that are 18 yrs or older in 2016 that may get a look into the wider squad? (u20's)