2012 S15 Stormers

[tranquility]

I had never heard of Johann Sadie, but he looks to be a good player..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqQ0g8VngFk

 

[rustycruiser]

Wait a second Boet before you jump here with ineptness. Jac Fourie was still in contract when Sadie got his R Million contract from the Brute which was comparable with the senior players like Schalk Burgers contract and he wanted a starting spot in the Stormers team to stay. Jac Fourie Japanese contract is R22 Million for two years. Surely you dont expect any SA franchise to try and counter that kind of money.

I blame this on Jac Fourie who havent gone the FdP or Danie Rossouw route to give the Brute time to plan well ahead with their player budget. Throw in SARU's policy of picking overseas base players make it very easier for star players like Fourie to chicken run.

I say vok Jac Fourie, dont slam the door on your way out. WP sure as hell will go in the future giving a much needed oppertunity for JdJ to start and WP have Paarl Gim who prodive all the SA Franchises midfield stock. Sadies roomie at Stellenbosch Klein Stokkies Hanekom will stay at Maties and just play himself up in the structures and we do have some backup stock if needed.

He (Fourie) was under contract until the end of the 2011 Currie Cup (ie only 2-3 months) when Sadie left. That is not under contract. Until he put pen to paper for 2012, the WP management should have been planning for the possibility that he did not resign. Especially with Fourie's history of chasing money and cloudy legal circumstances that allowed him to leave the Lions. With that said, I don't know how disingenuous Fourie or his agent was during negotiations with WP. But a verbal or implied statement that he would resign doesn't cut it. Until he put pen to paper, he was not under contract, and WP's administrators should be professional enough to know when they are getting the run around, and professional enough to make the decision to let an older player reticent to sign go, to retain the services of the future star. Someone has to make the hard business decisions, rather than the sentimental rugby ones.

 

[rustycruiser]

BTW, is there any tampering in SA Rugby? For example, in the NFL in the USA, it is considered tampering for any team to be in contact with a player or his representative while he is under contract with another team. There are very specific date (free agency periods) in which players are able to talk to new teams, and switch teams. Perhaps this is something SARU should negotiate into any future collective bargaining agreement with the SARPU players association to protect their (the Unions) investment in player development.

 

[PaarlBok]

He (Fourie) was under contract until the end of the 2011 Currie Cup (ie only 2-3 months) when Sadie left. That is not under contract. Until he put pen to paper for 2012, the WP management should have been planning for the possibility that he did not resign. Especially with Fourie's history of chasing money and cloudy legal circumstances that allowed him to leave the Lions. With that said, I don't know how disingenuous Fourie or his agent was during negotiations with WP. But a verbal or implied statement that he would resign doesn't cut it. Until he put pen to paper, he was not under contract, and WP's administrators should be professional enough to know when they are getting the run around, and professional enough to make the decision to let an older player reticent to sign go, to retain the services of the future star. Someone has to make the hard business decisions, rather than the sentimental rugby ones.

Sadies Brutes offer was way beyond his experiense. WP had a line of players with his experiense and no way they can offer them all the same amount of money.

Pretty sure SA have the same thing as you described.

 

[Blue]

Sadies Brutes offer was way beyond his experiense. WP had a line of players with his experiense and no way they can offer them all the same amount of money.

Pretty sure SA have the same thing as you described.

As a matter of interest how much was the offer for? You can't blame him if someone else makes him a big offer. The game is professional. I read a quote somewhere that said every player is loyal as long as the money is right. How true.

Right now the Stormers contract management process is full of holes ans the management do stupid things like allowing Grant to play in Japan and then come back on one leg. They will do well to tighten up this process if they ever want to win the Super crown which is a pity because the ingredients are there.

Rusty, a transfer window sounds like something that requires way too much organisation for the numpties at SARU. Someone would actually have to do something.

 

[PaarlBok]

As a matter of interest how much was the offer for? You can't blame him if someone else makes him a big offer. The game is professional. I read a quote somewhere that said every player is loyal as long as the money is right. How true.

Right now the Stormers contract management process is full of holes ans the management do stupid things like allowing Grant to play in Japan and then come back on one leg. They will do well to tighten up this process if they ever want to win the Super crown which is a pity because the ingredients are there.

Rassies reply after losing Sadie
http://afrikaans.news24.com/Sport/Rugby/WP-staan-Johann-Sadie-aan-Bulle-af-20110709

“Ek kan nie vir enige speler waarborg dat hy die eerstekeuse-buitesenter gaan wees of hom drie keer meer as ander spelers in sy kontrakgroep aanbied nie,” het Erasmus gesê.

“Dis hartseer ... ons het hom ’n gesonde kontrak aangebied. Ek wens hom alle sterkte toe.”

Die WP sou vir Sadie aansienlik meer as sy eweknieë moes betaal om hom in die Kaap te hou.

“Daar is salarisvlakke en ons wil nie soos in 2008 weer verdeeldheid in die groep hê omdat een speler buitensporig meer as ’n ander betaal word nie,” het Erasmus gesê.

 

[PaarlBok]

Right now the Stormers contract management process is full of holes ans the management do stupid things like allowing Grant to play in Japan and then come back on one leg. They will do well to tighten up this process if they ever want to win the Super crown which is a pity because the ingredients are there.

I agree on the Japan part but not the other. No vokken holes when you have Frikkie Earsmus in your legal department. He is the expert in exploding that.

 

[PaarlBok]

The Stormers has signed JP du Plessis finally. After a journey through Australia he returned to his roots and will be backup midfielder behind JdJ and JdV for 2012. Sadie and Jac Fourie departure open the gap for JP and just maybe Frans Steyn.

 

[PaarlBok]

The teams picked for todays warmups show the depth within the Stormer.

WP Vodacom vs WP Amateur

DHL WP Vodacom Cup Squad

15. Tim Swiel 14. Elmo Thomas 13. Michael van der Spuy 12. Berton Klaasen 11. Ghafoer Luckan 10. Kurt Coleman 9. Andries Truter 8. Yaya Hartzenberg 7. Nick Fenton-Wells 6. Rohan Kitshoff 5. Wilhelm van der Sluys 4. Gerbrandt Grobler 3. Pieter Stemmet 2. Sidney Tobias 1. Allistair Vermaak
Reserves
16. Madoda Yako 17. Christo McNish 18. Tyrone Holmes 19. Waldo Prinsloo 20. William van Wyk 21. Taariq Davids 22. Adriaan Kritzinger
Stormers vs Lions:
15. Joe Pietersen, 14. Gio Aplon, 13. Juan de Jongh, 12. Jean de Villiers, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Gary van Aswegen, 9. Louis Schrueder, 8. Nick Koster, 7. Siya Kolisi, 6. Schalk Burger (captain), 5. De Kock Steenkamp, 4. Eben Etzebeth, 3. Brok Harris, 2. Deon Fourie, 1. Steven Kitshoff

Substitutes: 16. Tiaan Liebenberg, 17. Deon Carstens, 18. Frans Malherbe, 19. Don Armand, 20. Reuben Johannes, 21. Nizaam Carr, 22. Nic Groom, 23. Burton Francis, 24. Marcel Brache, 25. Gerhard van den Heever, 26. Danie Poolman
Only problem is two opensiders in one team and two blindsiders in the other.

 

[Lee Grant]

PB

How does that trial starting XV differ from the best Stormers XV on paper, and why?

 

[PaarlBok]

PB

How does that trial starting XV differ from the best Stormers XV on paper, and why?

Only injuries away Oom Lee, Duanne Vermeulen, Dewaldt Duvenhage, Andries Bekker and Elstad.

 

[spooony]

Aplon was in a car crash but luckily wasn't seriously injured

Stormers and Springboks flyer Gio Aplon has been involved in a car accident in Cape Town but was not seriously injured.
Aplon was not seriously injured in the motor vehicle accident and early reports suggest that he only suffered minor bruising on his arm.
The Springbok speedster was named to play in a warm up match on Friday against the Lions ahead of the Super rugby season but it is not known yet whether the accident will prevent him from playing.
Whilst Aplon may miss this weekend's match he is not expected to miss any Super Rugby matches due to the accident.

http://www.superxv.com/news/super15_rugby_news.asp?id=33540

 

[spooony]

The Stormers kept the Lions tryless in their 28-6 victory at Newlands on Friday.

The Lions had the better of the territory initially and dominated the scrums for much of the contest, but struggled to use this platform to their advantage. Their lineout was also largely outplayed by that of the Stormers, and coach John Mitchell will be livid with the turnovers his side conceded in great attacking positions.

There were times when they excelled on defence, and Butch James brought his own brutish brand thereof to this warm-up fixture. Nevertheless, the Stormers managed to score three tries, the first via a patient build up through the phases. Gio Aplon struck soon after half-time with a breathtaking solo effort, and was on hand to finish a break by Gerhard van den Heever later in the match.

 

[SuperGrover]

Interesting that the Stormers were able to score three tries against the Lions.

The Lions showed throughout the Currie Cup that their defence was of a high standard, while many on this site have lamented that while the Stormers defence was impressive they lacked the cutting edge to really unsettle the top teams.

Now I realise that alluding to the Lions as a 'top team' may be premature after just the one impressive Currie Cup campaign in a World Cup year. I also realise that reading too much into trial form is a recipe for disaster as often as not, but maybe, just maybe the Stormers are developing that 'edge' they've been missing.

 

[qwerty51]

I wouldn't just not read too much into a trial, I'd read nothing into it. Especially when both teams where not at full strength.

 

[spooony]

Interesting that the Stormers were able to score three tries against the Lions.

The Lions showed throughout the Currie Cup that their defence was of a high standard, while many on this site have lamented that while the Stormers defence was impressive they lacked the cutting edge to really unsettle the top teams.

Now I realise that alluding to the Lions as a 'top team' may be premature after just the one impressive Currie Cup campaign in a World Cup year. I also realise that reading too much into trial form is a recipe for disaster as often as not, but maybe, just maybe the Stormers are developing that 'edge' they've been missing.

It is because when the Tri Nations is on the other teams play in the curry cup with half strength teams while the Lions almost full strength. So do not read into the Currie cup too much its a shadow of its former self.

 

[qwerty51]

The Springboks had been back for some weeks before the CC finals were on

 

[spooony]

The Springboks had been back for some weeks before the CC finals were on

So your saying the Currie Cup is only 2 weeks? I thought it started in July.

 

[qwerty51]

Huh?

 

[spooony]

Huh?

The players came back to their provinces on the 13th October. 20th October some of them played. No matter how good you are they still need to gell again playing with the other players. The Currie Cup final was on the 27th of October.

He (Fourie) was under contract until the end of the 2011 Currie Cup (ie only 2-3 months) when Sadie left. That is not under contract. Until he put pen to paper for 2012, the WP management should have been planning for the possibility that he did not resign. Especially with Fourie's history of chasing money and cloudy legal circumstances that allowed him to leave the Lions. With that said, I don't know how disingenuous Fourie or his agent was during negotiations with WP. But a verbal or implied statement that he would resign doesn't cut it. Until he put pen to paper, he was not under contract, and WP's administrators should be professional enough to know when they are getting the run around, and professional enough to make the decision to let an older player reticent to sign go, to retain the services of the future star. Someone has to make the hard business decisions, rather than the sentimental rugby ones.

This is the ruling about approaching players

When the New Club or New Province intends to enter into a contract with a Player from his Home Province for the first time, the New Club or New Province shall advise the Home Province prior to entering into a contract with the Player. The Home Province will first be granted an opportunity to equal or better the offer made by the New Club or New Province, subject thereto that the Player is prepared to enter into a contract with his Home Province.

That's for SA.