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2012 S15 Stormers

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PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Stormers 2012

Fixture list

Home/Away Against
Round 1 Home Hurricanes
Round 2 Home Sharks
Round 3 Bye
Round 4 Home Blues
Round 5 Away Lions
Round 6 Home Bulls
Round 7 Away Highlanders
Round 8 Away Crusaders
Round 9 Away Reds
Round 10 Away Force
Round 11 Bye
Round 12 Home Cheetahs
Round 13 Home Waratahs
Round 14 Away Sharks
Round 15 Away Bulls

Round 16 Home Lions
Round 17 Away Cheetahs
Round 18 Home Rebels

Don't Play
Brumbies
Chiefs

WP CC dead and buried time to move on to next years S15.

WP cheque book closed after the Gerhard vd Heever buy

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Rassie: 'I won't be buying any forwards'
Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:49


The bitter taste of defeat. (c) Gallo


The trophy cabinet remains empty and the Western Province pack's reputation took another battering, but Western Province Rugby's Senior Professional Coach Rassie Erasmus has already put the chequebook away.

Erasmus confirmed that they will continue to bring young stars through the age-group ranks rather than buy seasoned players as they build a winning brand.

Having been knocked out by the Lions in the Currie Cup semifinal in Johannesburg at the weekend, both Erasmus and head coach Allister Coetzee spoke of the "hurt" and "disappointment" of another failed campaign.

However, Erasmus was adamant that they have the right blend of players in Cape Town to get over that final hurdle and start winning trophies - having lost in the Super Rugby Final and Currie Cup Final last year, while falling at the semifinal stage in both competitions this year.

Speaking of their loss at the weekend Erasmus said in an "under-strength" Currie Cup - during the World Cup years 1999, 2007 and this year - then the teams who lose fewer Boks tend to win ... as the Lions did [in 1999] and the Cheetahs in 2007.

He did not feel there was a need to go out an buy a new team just because they were beaten in a semifinal by a motivated and cohesive Lions outfit.

"If you look at the Lions, they are a full-blooded Super 15 team," Erasmus said, when asked about the dominance the Lions pack had in the set pieces.

"If you take out your senior scrumhalf, your main line-out loose forward that contests at the back of the line-out, you take out your senior No.5 lock, you take out your No.4 lock, then you will struggle not just against the Lions but any Super Rugby team," he said of -players like Duane Vermeulen, Andries Bekker, Rynhardt Elstadt and Dewaldt Duvenage.

"When you loser that quality of player it will have a huge impact.

"I do not have to go buy those guys [players in those positions], they were just injured.

"They will come back once they recover from their injuries."

He also dismissed the notion that the loss of players like Johan Sadie, JJ Engelbrecht and Lionel Cronje (all to the Bulls) constitutes a major crisis.

"We are happy with how [Dimitri] Catrakilis have come through the ranks, a Kurt Coleman, Gary van Aswegen ... we are happy that we are covered there. We still have the possibility of Peter Grant [who is set to return from Japan in mid-season again in 2012]," he said of the flyhalf position.

"To lose a guy like JJ [Engelbrecht], who came through the system, is very disappointing, but we just could not afford what they [the Bulls] offered him.

"I believe Gerhard [van den Heever] will add another dimension to our team -

"If you lose some players in JJ [Engelbrecht] and Johan Sadie, but keeping Nic Groom, Louis Schreuder, Gary van Aswegen, you get players like Dimitri Catrakilis, bring Rynhardt Elstadt through, bring Eben Etzebeth through, then it is not so bad.

"I can tell you now people would not have been happy if I guaranteed those two what they were asking for. I can't guarantee a guy he will have the No.13 jersey, that is not fair to Juan de Jongh, Jaque Fourie and Jean de Villiers."

Erasmus confirmed that most of the province's young stars have been signed up for the next few years - players like Steven Kitschoff, Frans Malherbe, Scarra Ntubeni, Eben Etzebeth, Quinn Roux, Nizaam Carr, Siya Kolisi, Nic Groom, Nick Koster, Louis Schreuder, Gary van Aswegen, Dimitri Catrakilis, Kurt Coleman, Danie Poolman and Tshotsho Mbovane.

He admitted that if success is measured against the number of trophies won, WP have failed.

"If one measures success by trophies, then we were not successful," he said.

"We had three home semifinals, we played in two finals last year and we were the top South African franchise in Super Rugby this year.

"In two seasons now we just couldn't get over the last hurdle. I'm taking it on the chin.

"There may have been a refereeing call here and an intercept there and we then don't win any trophies in a disrupted Currie Cup season, then we don't have success.

"However, if you look at things like getting the Under-19 players through, getting the Under-21 through, not signing a lot of players from the outside then I think we are really successful.

"When we [Coetzee and Erasmus] arrived here [as coaches in Cape Town] four years ago the team was 11th on the [Super Rugby] standings and didn't make the Currie Cup semifinals.

"We are building, but it is just that last little hurdle."
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Out of the head the Stormers squad can look something like:
Aplon, Jantjes, Habana, vd Heever, Poolman, Fourie, JdJ, JdV, Grant, van Aswegen, Duvenhage, Broom, Vermeulen, Koster, P Louw, S Burger, Carr, Kolisi, Kitshoff, Bekker, Fondse, Steenkamp, Etsebet, Harris, Malherbe, Liebenberg, Fourie, JC Kritzinger, Ginga Kitshoff.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Out of the head the Stormers squad can look something like:
Aplon, Jantjes, Habana, vd Heever, Poolman, Fourie, JdJ, JdV, Grant, van Aswegen, Duvenhage, Broom, Vermeulen, Koster, P Louw, S Burger, Carr, Kolisi, Kitshoff, Bekker, Fondse, Steenkamp, Etsebet, Harris, Malherbe, Liebenberg, Fourie, JC Kritzinger, Ginga Kitshoff.

To me there are a few things you guys should hope for:
1. Grant comes back in physical shape, and with a game that has no gone backwards. Japan was not good for him last year.
2. You find a ten backup who can stay fit if Grant sucks or goes down
3. Find that top 1% which has been missing when it matters (serious - this is not a wind up. Province and the Stormers have a mental issue)
4. Score more points.

Also hope Fourie comes back in one piece. No rest after the World Cup, to Japan and back to Stormers? Eish.

Vd Heever is a strange one. Why? I think he'll be good though?

Looking forward to see Etsebet. I hope he doesn't play because Bekker gets broken, but rather as a regular sub. Hopefully he can give you a chance to rest Bekker more often?
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Vd Heever is a strange one. Why? I think he'll be good though?

Looking forward to see Etsebet. I hope he doesn't play because Bekker gets broken, but rather as a regular sub. Hopefully he can give you a chance to rest Bekker more often?

Understand Heyneke wants to start at the Brutes with a clean sheet. He had displine problems with vd Heever.

Etsebet is still very young but moers talented, so are Kolisi and Carr.
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
I don't see much of your domestic comp but from the Super games it was clear that you have serious problems with your backline attack and need a good backline coach to turn the forward dominance into points. Clearly there aren't many good ones in SA (refer WC quarter final), so you probably need to buy one overseas. The other problem you have is that Fourie and JdV are no longer tearing opposition defences apart. The backline went backwards this year when they were put back in at the expense of the young up-and-comers. Same for Habana.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I don't see much of your domestic comp but from the Super games it was clear that you have serious problems with your backline attack and need a good backline coach to turn the forward dominance into points. Clearly there aren't many good ones in SA (refer WC quarter final), so you probably need to buy one overseas. The other problem you have is that Fourie and JdV are no longer tearing opposition defences apart. The backline went backwards this year when they were put back in at the expense of the young up-and-comers. Same for Habana.
We have Fleck and Proudfoot in their second year. No need to bring in overseas backline coach. Dunno about your referal to the quater final, thought we played really well on attack and would rather gave the Wallabies credit to their defense but this is S15 not test rugby. The Stormers have more then enough young talent coming through, I am living next to SA midfield fabric in Paarl Gym. We provide the Sharks with Marius joubert, Lion have Dylan des Fountain, Cheetahs have Jean Stemmet, Brutes have Sadie now and Stormers have Jean de Villiers. JP du Plessis is also in Stormers camp and waiting behind JdJ. Thought we have an unfortunate breakdown in flyhalfs this year, like we had breakdown in locks the previous years. Our back three will also be potent next year and expect a lot more with more experiense players in 2012. The WC tested our young stock deep and we have unearth probably the most in SA. Will defnitely pay dividends next year. Myself thought we would have lost all our top stars.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
We have Fleck and Proudfoot in their second year. No need to bring in overseas backline coach. Dunno about your referal to the quater final, thought we played really well on attack and would rather gave the Wallabies credit to their defense but this is S15 not test rugby. The Stormers have more then enough young talent coming through, I am living next to SA midfield fabric in Paarl Gym. We provide the Sharks with Marius joubert, Lion have Dylan des Fountain, Cheetahs have Jean Stemmet, Brutes have Sadie now and Stormers have Jean de Villiers. JP du Plessis is also in Stormers camp and waiting behind JdJ. Thought we have an unfortunate breakdown in flyhalfs this year, like we had breakdown in locks the previous years. Our back three will also be potent next year and expect a lot more with more experiense players in 2012. The WC tested our young stock deep and we have unearth probably the most in SA. Will defnitely pay dividends next year. Myself thought we would have lost all our top stars.

I agree with Hawko. Stormers and WP attack has been poor for many years now and last year it was particularly bad. Something needs to be done or you will never win a major trophy. You can churn out as many great midfielders as you like but you need to score tries to win a Super title.

Dunno if an inexperienced Fleck is the answer. He has never coached before. It is as if you play a backline structure that does not allow players to take risk. Fourie, Habana, Aplon, and de Jongh. Come on, these are cracking players but they don't seem to get the chance to show their gears.

Maybe the coaches are too conservative? Agree you don't need an overseas coach but something has to change from last year or you will fall short again.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
We have Fleck and Proudfoot in their second year. No need to bring in overseas backline coach. Dunno about your referal to the quater final, thought we played really well on attack and would rather gave the .

Loads of the same. One dimensional attack. No decoy runners. No angles. No variation in depth.

The Wob defenders just had to sit back and make sure they didn't slip tackles. It was a lot easier for Australia than people think. I watched the game again (fucking painful).

We held on to the ball well, but there was absolutely no imagination and I put it down to two things:

1. Coaching
2. a 10/12 combo of M Steyn and JdV. Neither of them created any space in the whole game. Steyn never has and JdV is over the hill.

I hope the new Bok coach isn't such a scaredy cat on attack. We have a lot of wasted talent.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Bit off topic, but not too much so: Blue, PB, do you think vdHeever will be able to make the cut to play for the Boks?
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Dunno if an inexperienced Fleck is the answer. He has never coached before.
Know you dont get much Varsity Cup in Aus but Flekkie and Proudfoot did their eppieship at Ikeys and Pukke and was quite successfull init. They dont had the luxury like SlapTjips to start at the high level of provincial youth teams for what its worth and probably the only way you see coaches getting through the structures.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I thought JdV played his best game of the year against us. Made heaps of metres down the middle.

Agree , it was his best game in the Bok jersey all year. But then I only watch the match once, Blou will probably know better. Hopefull this year we'll see much more of JdJ with Mossie leaving for Japan.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Bit off topic, but not too much so: Blue, PB, do you think vdHeever will be able to make the cut to play for the Boks?
He sure have the talent and is still very young, 22 year old. Poolman will push him. Poolman sure more in the JJ Engelbrecht , Ray Mordt type of winger then a speedster. Poolman run lines better then JJ Engelbrecht who is off to the Brutes now.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Bit off topic, but not too much so: Blue, PB, do you think vdHeever will be able to make the cut to play for the Boks?

He needs to improve his defense but on attack he has the skills as an out and out speed merchant and he will get better. He is in with a chance - Habana and JP are getting on and a few guys have been tried at Bok levels but haven't really delivered.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Look like Grant havent been contracted just yet. Rumours have it that Burton Francis will return to his rooted Boland. Maybe the reason. Boland also have Watts and this two sure can add a lot of value to the Stormers franchise.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
I thnk you guys need to move on from Grant. What a pity. If he played this year like he did on 2010 your chances of winning the comp would have been better. Instead he was injured and out of form.

Who knows what you will get back from Japan?

This Japan end back to Super Rugby thing doesn't seem to be a good idea.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I thnk you guys need to move on from Grant. What a pity. If he played this year like he did on 2010 your chances of winning the comp would have been better. Instead he was injured and out of form.

Who knows what you will get back from Japan?

This Japan end back to Super Rugby thing doesn't seem to be a good idea.
Agree. We had so many 10 injuries in 2011. Myself was pretty satisfied with the way van Aswegen went and look like he may get the jersey. Good solid 10, ditto the Ikey Greek. Coleman the different one and think they will be the 10s contracted at WP with Watts and Francis from Boland. We sure need Dewaldt in 9 to give them enough space with his service. Once he got injured they all seem to struggle.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Joe Pietersen (27) have been released from his Bayonne contract and is on his way back to the Stormers.
 
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