2012 S15 All things Referee thread

[Bruwheresmycar]

Well they do try to judge that after every game. Obviously here they decided no bad refereeing decisions in the game changed the end result. If this information needs to be kept from the media then OK.

When they say "X decision didn't change the result", they are saying "we can't be certain that it would have changed the result". If a referee pings a team 3 times in the last 10 minutes with bad calls, and they go from a 6 point lead to a 3 point loss, then they would say - that they can be fairly certain the result was impacted by bad decisions from the referee.

 

[Lior]

If Goddard was sacked than that is a travesty. Goddard answered the question Kaplan asked correctly. For many weeks we have seen TMO's extending their power and implicit within their answers is something that happened but is outside the question which was asked. Kaplan's question was framed in such a baffling way, and his emphasis on "the first grounding" was naive.

Bray has shown over the last few years that extending his comments get him into a lot of trouble. The guy was a failure as a referee and a failure as an administrator. It is a shame that they pluck these referees managers who have no corporate or administrative experience and they just insist that they are capable.

Both Bray and O'Brien were Police Officers before rugby. Let's face it, consistency in policing is about as existent as a Tasmanian Devil. Both these guys run the referees in such a terrible way where calls are inconsistent, communication between coaches is clearly a problem. If you were in a business or a government organisation or anything else which has a coherent structure about it, both Lyndon Bray and Paddy O'Brien would have been shown the door for incompetence, inconsistency and sheer idiocy. Take Bray saying how nice it would be having Giteau suspended or who he appoints to finals. Or Paddy O'Brien going to a hotel to apologise in an unprecedented manner to a team which won the game and said the referee was wrong.

Personally I think SANZAR's unprofessional like manner is really bringing down this game, and is making it more and more confusing for everyone.

PS. Glad Steve Walsh got a semi, the guy has clearly been the best ref this year. Admittedly he is annoying at times, but he has been the best with Joubert a close 2nd. Don't know why these guys weren't given last weeks finals.

 

[Gagger]

Kaplan's question was framed in such a baffling way, and his emphasis on "the first grounding" was naive.

There was nothing naive about the way Kaplan framed that question.

Nor that he gave a yellow card in the 80th minute.

 

[Lior]

There was nothing naive about the way Kaplan framed that question.

Nor that he gave a yellow card in the 80th minute.

Correct you are sir! Naive certainly was the wrong word to use. Maybe I should replace it with "consistent" or "cynical" or "prick-like" or just "idiotic"

 

[Brumby Jack]

PS. Glad Steve Walsh got a semi,

Probably from watching the replay of himself.

 

[What2040]

Kaplan = disgraceful

 

[PaarlBok]

Bruce Lawrense gone
Sport24

Lawrence's Test career over


2012-07-25 09:07
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Cape Town - SANZAR head of referees Lyndon Bray confirmed on Wednesday that New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence’s Test career is over, according to EWN Sport.

Lawrence, who was unbelievably named New Zealand’s referee of the year in 2011, has been in freefall since taking charge of the Rugby World Cup quarter-final between the Springboks and Wallabies, a game where he allowed the Wallabies the freedom of the park as they won despite having little possession.
Lawrence was widely criticised for his handling of the game, which bundled the Springboks out of the World Cup and was subsequently not given any Six Nations games at the beginning of 2012, with Sanzar refereeing boss Lyndon Bray admitting he needed to be “rehabilitated” following the performance.

 

[Dam0]

On Kaplan's odd question, I have a theory.

I think that Kaplan had decided in his own mind that if the initial thrust for the line did not result in a try (ie "the first grounding") he was not going to allow the try because he considered that a try scored well after this moment would have meant that there would have been prolonged wrestling for the ball over the line. In other words, I think his rationale was that if a try hadn't been scored more or less immediately, he would consider it held up in-goal, and only then was it grounded by Gill.

I have some sympathy with this approach. As a referee we are taught that once the ball goes over the goal line following a tackle/ruck/maul we should look to blow it up very quickly and avoid prolonged struggling for the ball. This is to avoid potential flashpoints and danger where players are essentially allowed to go off their feet and from any angle. Having said that, I think that if he wanted to go down this path he should have blown the whistle earlier, and before Gill had the chance to ground it. Once the ball has been grounded, he really has no choice but to award it.

 

[Gagger]

Paarl - did you post that to highlight all the "tossers" in South Africa that go on and on about referees?

 

[PaarlBok]

Paarl - did you post that to highlight all the "tossers" in South Africa that go on and on about referees?

No Boet, I just want to create more Aussie moaning and groaning posts about the refs. Sure you will appreciate this.

 

[SaderCheif]

Eh? no kiwi refs in the Rugby Championship? I know Bryce is a wart on the penis of Rugby, but that should'nt condemn the other NZ refs.

http://www.superxv.com/news/rugbychampionship_news.asp?id=35812

sorry if someone else posted about this.

 

[whatty]

Eh? no kiwi refs in the Rugby Championship? I know Bryce is a wart on the penis of Rugby, but that should'nt condemn the other NZ refs.
.

So who would you suggest??

 

[SaderCheif]

So who would you suggest??

My bad, is was thinking of Chris Pollock but has had an operation on his hip so he's out
Glen Jackson should have a crack.

 

[elementfreak]

My bad, is was thinking of Chris Pollock but has had an operation on his hip so he's out
Glen Jackson should have a crack.

Jackson is way too raw to give a Tier 1 test match to at the moment.

 

[qwerty51]

Jackson is too 'by the book' atm for my liking.

 

[Forcefield]

I would be spitting chips if Jackson refereed in a Wallabies vs New Zealand game. When the Force played the Crusaders a few weeks ago the Crusaders were coming into the rucks at more different angles than a group of porn stars doing DVDA.

 

[Dam0]

I would be spitting chips if Jackson refereed in a Wallabies vs New Zealand game. When the Force played the Crusaders a few weeks ago the Crusaders were coming into the rucks at more different angles than a group of porn stars doing DVDA.

Unless the IRB embraces SANZAR's "best referee for the job" policy this is unlikely.

Rest easy my friend.

 

[Forcefield]

Oh yeah. Forgot about that.

Maybe he will pull a Steve Walsh and develop a drink problem, move to South Africa and become their top coach and then preside over a Wallabies vs New Zealand test.

 

[Mica]

Eh? no kiwi refs in the Rugby Championship? I know Bryce is a wart on the penis of Rugby, but that should'nt condemn the other NZ refs.

http://www.superxv.com/news/rugbychampionship_news.asp?id=35812

sorry if someone else posted about this.

Moving to Bondi doesn't make Walsh any less NZ.
After all it is a marriage of convenience for the parties.

So really there aren't any Australian refs - you can decide if this is a bad thing or not.
Also how Rolland doesn't get a bit of Bray rehabilitation is beyond me as I have seen more bad than good from him in the matches I have watched (and not just the ones where the Wobblies have been involved).

 

[Mank]

There was nothing naive about the way Kaplan framed that question.

No, I thought it was a smart way to ask. He obviously decided the ball was up for too long after the initial attempt to ground.