2012 Rugby Championship R5G1 Springbokke vs Wallabies @ the Bull Ring
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
This is from Tucker's most recent article:
The Wallabies also played 18 of those minutes with only 14 men with replacement prop James Slipper in the sin bin and the whacky situation of not being able to sub off injured hooker Tatafu Polota-Nau for the final period because the replacements quota had been reached.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...oss-of-broken-xv/story-fn8t7efs-1226484861498
It casts no doubt on the legitimacy of the ruling.
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The Wallabies also played 18 of those minutes with only 14 men with replacement prop James Slipper in the sin bin and the whacky situation of not being able to sub off injured hooker Tatafu Polota-Nau for the final period because the replacements quota had been reached.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...oss-of-broken-xv/story-fn8t7efs-1226484861498
It casts no doubt on the legitimacy of the ruling.
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Dick Tooth (41)
Wrong link IS, go to www.foxsports/rugby then click on 'wallabies send sos to luke morahan'. It mentions the match official's mistake in that piece.
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Rocky Elsom (76)
The whole bugger up over the player substitution numbers is fairly moot and one to put in the basket of "Lessons Learned", and never to be repeated again.
With 10 minutes to go we were cactus and were never going to win. Playing 14 vs 15 or 15 vs 15 with S Finger on the oval would not have changed the of the match outcome in terms of who won.
Memory is getting a bit hazy. Did the Saffer score their BP try in the period we were 14, and could the extra BP to Saffer be the difference in determing 2nd vs 3rd place in TRC?
With 10 minutes to go we were cactus and were never going to win. Playing 14 vs 15 or 15 vs 15 with S Finger on the oval would not have changed the of the match outcome in terms of who won.
Memory is getting a bit hazy. Did the Saffer score their BP try in the period we were 14, and could the extra BP to Saffer be the difference in determing 2nd vs 3rd place in TRC?
Dam0
Dave Cowper (27)
SAReferees have put up a clip on Youtube about the substitutions. This generally means that in a few days they will have a detailed analysis of the situation. They are generally pretty good about this sort of thing, although they have said a few things in the past that were open to doubt, as is inevitable.
I will post the link when they have their say.
I will post the link when they have their say.
Dam0
Dave Cowper (27)
Nah, they got their 4th try in the 61st minute. It was all academic by the time you lot were trying to cheat
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
for anyone else interested I found it here: http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby-...ack-luke-morahan/story-fndpt9s1-1226484855608
This confirms that our officials had NFI but that there was an official who was similarly ignorant. I was under the impression that the point being made was that the wobblies officials were in the right but were stymied by the ref and 4th official.
I would say that this means the official concerned should be sacked but it is still the case that wobblies management did not know the rule and yet they devised the FatCat strategy which necessarily runs into this risk, quite apart from it being very suspect in that it involves a "predetermined determination" that the replacement LHP is not fit to continue at about the 65/70 minute mark.
I am a little surprised that no other country has picked up on this amazing coincidence that fat cat leaves after 25/30 but that we always manage to have LHP injury at 65/70 so we can bring him back.
We are becoming a basket case if this is our tight five solution.
Not sure if the weekend stats have been discussed, but on SMH/Scrum there are some very interesting figures:
- Beale made ten tackles to top the count, and missed only one. Scrum has him making 8 and missing 0. I recall him being much weaker in defence.
- Hooper topped the missed tackle count with 5. Followed by Ant Fainga'a (4), Kane Douglas, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and Ioane (3).
- Sharpie's stats are outstanding- 12 runs, 8 tackles, 0 misses.
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- Beale made ten tackles to top the count, and missed only one. Scrum has him making 8 and missing 0. I recall him being much weaker in defence.
- Hooper topped the missed tackle count with 5. Followed by Ant Fainga'a (4), Kane Douglas, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and Ioane (3).
- Sharpie's stats are outstanding- 12 runs, 8 tackles, 0 misses.
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Dan54
David Wilson (68)
IS, I am sure everyone has noticed Fatcat's leaving field and then the injury, I not sure why it allowed to continue, it's cheating ,(I have said it to mrs 54 often, didn't want to be first to say so in here in case I accused of trolling etc) and like you say is not making tight five situation in Aus look very good at all
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Geoff Shaw (53)
I recall Beale conceding 4 or 5 metres each tackle but technically bringing the man to ground. You and the stats are probably both right.
I would prefer to see the rules require an independent doctor to confirm injuries, with no tacticals, in test matches. Very old school, but I would prefer to see real attrition and miss matches against tired defenders
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
No doctor is going to question a players declaration that he is unfit to continue - no ref is going to question a doctors declaration.
Not sure if this is for or against me.
en_force_er
Geoff Shaw (53)
Good in theory BUT....
So you know, it's a lot of money flawed system anyway (even if it is for the right reasons). If they are in fact being sneaky right now anyway (which it seems they are) they would have no issue with faking or exaggerating an injury to a doctor.
Perhaps it's a worthy luxury at test and super level but not affordable bellow that.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
don't forget bloodgate in the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodgate
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daz
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A few EOYT games between the end of the RC and the RWC15 draw, though.
We lose to the Puma's (very possible)
We lose to the Darkness (almost a forgone conclusion)
We lose 2-3 out of 4 EOYT games (Hard to see, but I wouldn't bet the house on us winning too many)
England beat Fiji, Oz and SA in the Autumn internationals (they will lose to NZ)
I think it is still extremely possible we could drop out of the top 4.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Exactly IS, I am not sure I can find much difference, except no pretend blood, but really doing same thing. It cost Dean Richards a long time out of game.
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Geoff Shaw (53)
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Famous last words..
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Geoff Shaw (53)
To concede it's possible but to say it's unlikely is pretty far from hubris.
I have a feeling I saw an article a while back that essentially implied we could not drop out of the top 4 regardless of results. Would be good to know if that is correct. I am not entirely sure how the system works. It may be more about teams who have a chance of overtaking us having few games between now and the cut off. England aren't the threat. They are already 4th. The question would be if both England and say France could overtake us.
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