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  1. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The crowds for the finals have been woeful in anyone's language, but i'm just not sure how combining the NRC and ITM cup does not just add another Super rugby lite competition. Your always going to have conflict if your running two competitions you just end up with both being in no mans land...
  2. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/keep-it-simple-push-for-round-robin-super-rugby-gathers-steam-20180727-p4zu4i.html its an interesting article, starts of with the usual PR, but you end up wondering in the end. "[Round robin] is one thing but I don't think we've had enough discussions...
  3. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I know what you mean regards Alan Jones, he's the king of pushing agendas. But it is clear he has a genuine love of rugby. What it highlights is the issue of lack of alternatives when discussing the game. Pretty much being owned by a Pay TV company, there is such a limited avenue regards...
  4. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/rugby-raelene-castles-200day-report-card/news-story/e193a8abe56ba0fe118c8442a0286036 Alan's back from holidays in the Australian, not so much going at Castle more the current board, basically saying they should resign, so she can start a...
  5. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    This is a good point, do kids really look up-to the Wallabies, yes they generate the press but to an older market, what is the saying white/male and stale. I agree, I think the Super rugby simply does not register on peoples radar, super rugby does not generate interest in the game outside of...
  6. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    It would be interesting to see what proportion of spending compared to say AFL/NRL, Union diverts to the grassroots.
  7. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Yes in part due to the high level of Kiwi expats in OZ, but in other ways it often masks some of the weaknesses. Australian rugby's biggest challenge is trying to grow its popularity in those so called Aussie suburbs, because that's where it struggles. Private School, elitist, stuck behind a...
  8. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    This I agree with, so many go on regards the international flavor of the competition and its so called inherent advantage over the other codes, when in reality it is very much the opposite. Test rugby is different, but I would argue that at Super rugby level this is a distinct dis advantage...
  9. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    My point is that to much of that revenue is required to maintain that top level and it is essentially revenue that we are not earning. You are right Braveheart in pointing out that the players are the ones who the have vested interests. They are getting paid market dollars (whether we like it...
  10. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But can't we just turn that around, how much has been sacrificed to ensure a competitive Wallaby outfit. You can argue the Wallabies are no more competitive than they were 20 years ago, in fact maybe less competitive. But what has it cost the game at a grassroots level to ensure those...
  11. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    This highlights the dilemma moving forward, no ones saying these people do not want the game to succeed however, most of these people are reliant on the current structure for there income, and the pays not bad. But it is that same structure that holds the game back from gaining more popularity...
  12. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The problem lies in the fact that the RA (basically the Wallaby brand) don't want change. the whole funding set up diverts 99% of the money to that level, for change to happen the powers to be have to accept sharing some of those powers, and they won't do that even as the ship sinks. That's why...
  13. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Sorry, they haven't played 16, but the pressure is now constantly on for more Tests to generate revenue, from a source that's original wealth was from its scarcity, how can this be a viable long term strategy. Agreed the top players are earning a major part of there income from Tests, but as...
  14. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    This is a real dilemma for the game here, but there are real warning signs that in Australia this may very well ultimately destroy the game. The upside down pyramid, we have turned Test team Wallaby Gold into Friday night Pizza and 6 pack, how can we justify 15/16 Tests a year in a game as...
  15. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But this is the catch 22 of the situation we are in. The RA will not pursue change as they are to linked to the Wallaby brand. In 2020 we go to the ridiculous situation of dedicating 6 months of the year to Test rugby, the RA are not going to drive any real change as they are the ones that...
  16. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Quick Hands - NZ won't agree to a Trans-Tasman competition, so it's off the table. While SA are involved with Super Rugby and putting in the dollars in, they probably won't, but remove SA and i'd say they'd take about 8/9 seconds to be interested in a Trans-Tasman comp.
  17. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The issue that arises with that is viability of the teams. I agree that we have to go closed conferences, and 6 teams to start is the most logical step, but if your team does not make the finals then your season is only 10 matches long, I would argue that is not sustainable for running a...
  18. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Sooner or later, but hey lets not prepare http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/super-rugby-has-lost-its-magic/
  19. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Well that's all well and good as long as the status quo remains
  20. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But will it, just a possibility, but give it 10/15 years and if the English Premiership/Top 14 continue to grow it may very well end up being rugby's version of the EPL. The Northern Hemisphere Unions are going to be satisfied as long as the Six Nations is protected, they'll be happy. So how...
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