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  1. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I'm curious to know, how exactly this new world league works, is Super rugby a component of this? or does this just cover the Test Team. If so and the financial pressure is released from the RA, could this not free them up to look at alternatives on the domestic front.
  2. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Private investment is the key to the future of Australian rugby, but that will never happen under the current structure. No one investing will make money, but you need to create a landscape that allows for it to happen. You can't expect people to give you money they no is a loss maker and on...
  3. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I never said the wallabies can't afford to pay the Players, my point is they can't do that and at the same time fund the level below that(super rugby and everything else). In fact I would argue the RA would be far better of just looking after the Wallabies and supporting the grassroots. And...
  4. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    You would have to accept that you can't compete with those wages first, salary caps, private investors, ensure the comp is investor friendly, start small and grow, put in place the building blocks in common with other successful sporting leagues. The wallabies would be run as a separate...
  5. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Why does any comp here have to be bankrupt if from the beginning, economies of scale are introduced, and remember we are pretty much bankrupt now. and the definition of meaningful, some would argue that is exactly Super rugby's issue.
  6. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Maybe I didn't make my point clear, player power will always rule. But who's paying the bills, lets look at England and Australia. Saracens compared to the Waratahs. Yes theirs all sorts of TV money and deals, but essentially a private owner is paying for those Saracen wages and costs, over...
  7. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Much of what you say is correct, but the problem has always been that it is the RA have always been paying the wages. It is the lack of any structure that allows private investment into the game here to soak up some of those costs. The game here is the one that has allowed player power to...
  8. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    I can't agree with this approach, it is part of the reason how we have got to this point. So much rugby content just confuses the market. I cannot count how many times I've watched rugby with a so called casual fan who has no idea of teams or where they come from or what comp they are in. We...
  9. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But part of that comes down to control, the unions have always wanted to control the market due to the priority of Test rugby, but the downside to that is they end up with all the costs. Private investment has never been encouraged due to the perceived loss of power that comes with it. The...
  10. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The issue we have is how do you fund this especially now it looks like Fox cash is going to be tight. The Wallabies are still profitable, and if we accept players can be picked from overseas. How do we set up a domestic level below this.
  11. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    They lost $417 million in 2018, that is hard to get your head around. In fact you wonder how long that is sustainable, you would need to drill those figures down.
  12. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Agreed, I can see that happening. It protects the top (and self interest rules). And if it does allow for that level below to grow independently. However I'm more pessimistic as well.
  13. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    And I would be very weary of the so called Nations Championship, you sign up for 12 years and give control to a single entity, have we learnt nothing from Super Rugby, all for that promised pot of gold. And even if we accept that formula, how does that assist Australian rugby, a shrinking...
  14. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    But the catch is providing that value, take NSW for example. You have one team in your biggest market, so by design you cannot factor in local derbies, you cannot provide a game each week in your biggest market. you have no competitor to gauge how the Waratahs are performing as an organization...
  15. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The big issue regards a Trans Tasman competition has been the reluctance of New Zealand to commit to this. With the focus on the All Blacks, Super Rugby is a much better fit for them.
  16. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The analogy of Rome burns is apt. Like an alcoholic, you can’t start to address the problem until you admit you have one. And that has been the issue with our administrators. Never have they accepted that Super rugby cannot by design deliver the game here the one thing it needs, growth. A...
  17. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    That Melbourne crowd was woeful 6-700 at most, this was with a competitive outfit stacked with Wallabies, fighting for a finals position in a local derby. I was a foundation member and remember the first couple of seasons, it was all about building, essentially the opposite has happened. The...
  18. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    Exactly, it highlights the slow death by a thousand cuts. The competition has so many inherent flaws that are just never addressed, and so we end up where we are. But moving forward a continuation of the same means sooner or later you come to a cliff.
  19. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    SA/NZ/Aus make the majority of the income from Test rugby. But in some ways this is a poisoned chalice, in regards to Australia it does this at the expense of the domestic game. Moving forward the only real area of growth available to the game here is domestically regardless of competition...
  20. hoggy

    Where to for Super Rugby?

    The quick answer isn't exactly no, it is the convenient answer for those that do not want the structure to change. It is hard to argue what part of the game is not already bankrupt. Both the Roar and Red crowds are pathetic. We've had the worlds best players involved in Super Rugby for 20...
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