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I don't think its the players though, I think its the refs.

For God's sake, full circle so you can agree with where this started. Agreed that different folk will have different thoughts. Some not being positive. Crumbs.

It is an understatement but that is a poor result.

Not everyone wants to travel by train. Car parking is a nightmare. You can park off site, from one of the suburban train stations, and walk in. Quite a distance and pita going home. If you use the train system, it is pretty organised for shifting heap of bodies. Who allele up at central at the...

For a lock Itoje is short. Hasn’t he also played 6? He reminds me of LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto).

That’s a much better looking 23 than recently! On another note, it is amazing how quickly I’ve gotten used to Conner Vest for game night. Liking his work.

From recollection the prop world rated Simmons highly in the scrum too. It wasn’t just his line out work, it was his calling too.

It's a shit of a place to get to. And it's a shit of a place when you get there. Look, to each his own. I'll not be travelling interstate for those facilities all the same.

That's a firm statement that doesn't seem to necessarily be true. No we should not dump Thorn and start the inspection of Ballymore car park again. And if we do a thorough search of possible alternatives, if Thorn still heads the list, then we should not change. We don't want the revolving door...

Unless your recruitment has a sideline to the coaching set up I'm not sure I agree. We have some awesome talent, and a fabulous broader squad. I'm not seeing the 23 - 40 as the problem. @ RReg, honest, you see this as recruitment?

That is a starting point that is so ridiculous. BUT it may be that logical broader thinking comes to the same conclusion. How many years has Thorn had at this point? 3 or 4? My worry is, well Thorn is pretty solid, so what does the alternative look like? I'm ready to drop Thorn, but whose next?

This is where I sit exactly. But it means it isn't really skill fundamentals being a problem. Implementation and decision making possibly. But right now I keep going back to the game plan. There are questions with it against the Kiwis, albeit again it might simply be around implementation. I...

OK, fill me in. I'm not a Brumbies fan and have not been watching his progress closely.

We are all just some guy. ;) I don't think the evidence is there that we don't have the skill fundamentals. Certainly the expression of those skills, with the 23 we have been putting forward with the injury list, well that is lacking results in skill implementation. What I've seen on the...

This is where all my anxiety comes from. The Reds have shown excellent fundamentals all year, but have hit a savage down trend when we combine Kiwi opposition with injury. As soon as they look a little lost it is bloody messy and not at all entertaining as a Red fan. Got my fingers and toes...

Harsh, lads. It seemed to me that Iona contributed errors, some major, including defence, certainly distribution. But for goodness sake, how much Super game time has he had? It struck me that the had skills consistent with a Super 10 and how he went against the Saders is hardly an ability...

Finally. Brumbies starting to work to their strengths.

Not kicking well tonight.

Sader TH changed bind on Slipper.

Have to agree that the centres selections are interesting. 12 Paisami 13 Flook 22 Stewart Love all three but it is interesting.