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Anyway, I think everyone has had a chance to say what they think. No-one involved in this thread seems to have changed their mind at all, but you never know, maybe people reading were swayed one way or the other. Shall we move on?

I reckon I've done everything I can to keep the discussion reasonable and on-point. The only thing to do against me is to somehow show that either (1) the ABs do not make offside and pillars part of their breakdown strategy (good luck with that); or (2) that all other teams do it just as much. I...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdr-W775hk4

I guess I don't agree, cyclo. When you say that "Kiwis are at the forefront in innovation" I agree with the factuality but not the sentiment. I think offside and pillars are terrible, awful, innovations and the refs should stamp it out of the game. I think the game would be better for it...

On the original thread of this discussion, Jay questions my knowledge of what constitutes a ruck. Stickybeak answered the question but Jay ignored this information and came back with some irrelevant nonsense. If you read my YouTube comments, you will find a whole lot of angry kiwis insisting...

As I've said a thousand times, I felt that the ABs were (are) approaching the breakdown in a certain way that involved extensive use of offside and pillars. I wanted to bring attention to that, and I was very successful. It has been watched by 60,000 people including, I know for a fact, a bunch...

Stickybeak - thanks for the thoughtful comments. In the end, my observations were never about one-off events, but about a systematic approach to the breakdown. Have you read the comments on YouTube? I get them emailed to me. It's always fun to get under the skin of a few kiwis. For a mob who...

You guys are hard on Smit. If you look at the Bok 22 I would put him in the best half dozen on the night. But still, he shouldn't be starting, and hence, shouldn't be captain.

??? Moving towards a record score, I'm not sure there's too many positives.

Things going the way of the inevitable with this side. 33-7

Hard to understand what's happening in the Bok defence. They don't seem to be commiting too many to the ruck, bu they always seem to have too few defenders out wide. Maybe they can adjust, or maybe they are clueless.

Rolland is insane - Smith offside, reenters ruck from RSA side. Blacks get penalty.

Corey Jane answers his critics (not me)!

I won't say anything more, but I can't stand the way Rolland allows the ABs to run through the ruck and pillar. It's just a rule he doesn't recognise.

Nice try John Smit.

Man, this could be a big score. Boks looks out of their depth.

Excellent decision Alain!

Painted on collars. Fuck sake.

Thanks for asking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdr-W775hk4

Rolland finds a mystery offside.