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Or it's possible he's a relatively functional alcoholic. I've got no idea how serious his issues are, do you?

It's where they lined up last week, just got forgotten in the mayhem. I really don't like JOC (James O'Connor) at 15 or flyhalf. Would much rather see him in the centres or on the wing.

I'll take your word for it. My memory is that Jones was the only one remotely interested in tackling or hitting a ruck. Not sure what stats you use, but the ones I normally look at have Pyle making two tackles, one offload, four runs (48m), one line break, three ruck/mauls, conceding one...

Pyle's were an absolute disgrace as well. I'd have dropped him too.

An epic for the ages, sure to secure Hill's job for the next five years. By which I mean they're going to get absolutey rolled. Cheetahs 58 Rebels 12.

Well their skills are broadly pretty average, I'd have no problem with someone else having a go.

Pro in 96 is entirely different to pro now. These are, a lot of the time, not intelligent guys. They're freakish athletes who have been able to coast through life on the back of that. A mate of mine works with players at Richmond (the AFL club,) teaching them how to live by themselves basically...

Complete lack of comprehension. If you think professionalism today is the same as it was in 96 you are kidding yourself. These are the first generation of players hitting the Wallabies where all they have ever known is rugby. Where they've been exposed to elite coaching, training, nutrition...

They're the first generation of rugby players who have come up through professional systems their whole lives. Rugby is what they know. They're given stacks of money, people throwing themselves at them and way more time on their hands than they know what to do with. Go look at AFL, NFL, soccer...

He's an interesting one isn't he? I'd like to see him have a go, if only because you know he'd get the players having a serious crack. Possibly the combination of him with some hard bastard forwards coach. And a skills coach who isn't Nathan Grey.

Despite protestations to the contrary on this very thread. Sounds like the club is unravelling.

I was talking about Vuna. He defended his captain and got punched for his troubles. Should be given a bonus.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby-gold/rebels-investigating-incident-on-bus-following-record-super-rugby-loss-in-south-africa/story-fndpt9s1-1226604431354 What a joke.

Time to get the armbands out boys

If he gets punished for this I would seriously be telling the club to get fucked, contract or no.

Vuna can't be suspended for that surely? Will be a farce if he is. Wouldn't be surprised to see him leave at the end of the year.

Have to send a message after a performance like that. Something like 66 tackles made and 37 missed. I'd send out this team against the Cheetahs, and I'd keep Henderson because I can't think of another option. It'll never happen, but it has to be worth a go. Henderson Hori PAE Neville Jones...

Bingo.