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I know you hate seeing the ABs win Shiggins, but is that really necessary?:)

Conclusion. The All Blacks are a good deal better than this England side. They have scored the points when they have needed throughout this series. England are an improving side, but still some way behind (as in not that close) to the ABs as it stands right now.

England flopping all over the ball all game. Finally pinged for it.

Mealamu has been poor.

England scrum is good.

Hi Shiggins!

England coming back into it. Too early to say the game is over.

Fekitoa is the back up 13, not Ben Smith. Dagg is a rubbish winger. I think Piutau or Jane will be on the bench.

The players under pressure for their positions - Cruden and Jane, are playing really well. Hansen knows his stuff.

Oh no! The ref has just given ammunition to Shiggins and qwerty with that yellow card.

ABs starting well for once. Early days though.

Yeah the article does play to an eager audience. Admitted. But I still think it might be true that England are not as good as (almost) everyone is saying. We'll see. The Fern : "Tonight is the night. It's good vs evil, the small nation standing up to the big brother, outmatched in playing...

I don't mind a counter view. I actually don't know if it is right or not - but he gives reasons for what he thinks. I actually think it is an interesting counter to the conventional narrative that England are as good as everyone is saying they are. And that is what makes a forum, different...

Are the current England team a myth. According to Bartman on the Fern they are. http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/40076-article-england-%E2%80%93-are-they-really-that-good/ As per usual, when this international rugby season kicked off, with the Super teams not doing...

Oh right. So you are judging their overall ability on the last 160 minutes of rugby only. Short-sighted I would suggest.

Which ones are wrong in your opinion? Who should be there instead? I wasn't aware a player's ability should be judged on just two games? I am impressed by England too.

Not really sure if you are practicing that well-known art of kiwi-baiting or not. Ben Smith one of the best FBSin the world (and has been for a few years) Julian Savea best 11 in the world. Nonu and Smith best midfield combo in the world (probably) Cruden or Barrett - world class 10s...

Their scrum shades ours, but based on last week, there isn't much in it. I'd take our loose forward combo over theirs any day of the week. (and so would most rugby supporters I suspect) Hansen said Read will only play maybe 50 minutes because his conditioning isn't top-notch yet. No long term...

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Fekitoa to go up against Tuilagi. Read to 8, Kaino to 6. England team: 15 Mike Brown, 14 Chris Ashton, 13 Manusamoa Tuilagi, 12 Kyle Eastmond, 11 Marland Yarde, 10 Freddie Burns, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Chris Robshaw, 6 Tom Wood, 5 Geoff Parling, 4 Courtney Lawes, 3 David Wilson...