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I disagree with three things there: - there's plenty wrong with the laws as written - McCaw broke the law in letter and spririt - no position in rugby should have their primary objective to break the law George Smith basically invented the 7 position as it is played today. He found a hole in...

McCaw, McCaw, McCaw, geez you guys are obsessed! :cool:

By the way, I think along with the iRB Laws, and the SARefs site, we should pay attention to this site: Law Clarifications, and also these Guidelines.

Are you guys also taking into consideration 15.7 (c) No player may fall on or over the players lying on the ground after a tackle with the ball between or near to them. I have nothing more to say about the McCaw incident, but I think it's a mistake to concentrate on the tackle law at the...

Yeah, it's a farce. The Lions have received an advantage by not putting anyone into ruck. If the Cheetahs players had found opposition to their driving over the ball, then it's a ruck, no question and Grobellar is in an offside position and needs to roll away. But because no Lions players went...

Mate, the only way to answer that would be to gather together a couple of dozen posts from those guys over the past fortnight and show you. I just don't feel like doing that right now. I'd rather talk about neutral ruck situations.

Jay, given the numbers of times you have directed ad hominem attacks at me, I shouldn't give you the time of day. In this case, you have a good point. Not about the McCaw issue - better that we leave that one aside - but whether this situation constitutes a ruck or not. Clearly there are two...

No, thank you Scorz. Your posts were, at all times, calm, reasonable and added value to the discussion. Mate, I'm up for a discussion if you still want to go on. The McCaw case is, as you suggest, a dead one. Fans of rugby who have never opened the law book could tell you that McCaw was flat...

Antony, I agree. There are a couple of really good questions that almost got debated fairly: (1) when does the tackle end and the ruck start; and (2) what is the status of the pillar/wall issue that was identified by the iRB as something to crack down on this year. But each party has to take...

For pity's sake, cyclo, let the bloke throw in the towel. I've been pounding him for 10 rounds, there's blood coming out of his ears, he's lost short-term memory and the ability to read. His handlers in the black corner keep telling him he's doing great but they're going to get him killed out there.

Then you need to read the thread again. Everybody in this thread, aside from you, is treating these multiple situations as rucks. And yet you keep asserting that it's just me that thinks this. Second, no comment on SARefs opinion of New Zealand play? Still just me that asserts that Kiwis are...

You have these moments of being reasonable, then completely ignore the obvious. Why don't you write to SAReferees and tell them that they asserting this as self-evident. And in this situation, it occurs in the tackle, before other players have arrived. So, it's a tackle. You're using that...

I think it's 3 times now that you have produced the "it's only a tackle" defence. On each occasion, everyone has disagreed with you. There's a difference between self-evident, and "evident to everyone except you." If this was a ruck, you'd be pinged for taking the space.

Oh my god Dam0! At 0:14 (replay at 0:47) you say that McCaw is "entitled to play the ball from the angle he comes from" !?!? That sure explains a lot about your posts. You have read the tackle law, as have we all, and your interpretation has zero real world application. Refs will not allow...

Dan, I reckon between you and Dam0 there's a sensible discussion to be had. I do agree that Kiwis are taught this technique more than other teams. Poms, for example, drive past the ball, but to ground. Both can be illegal when executed poorly or lazily. In my response to Dam0's videos, on page...

Rolland is a tragic home town ref. Joubert gives the advantage to the stronger team, which is good, except when that advantage has been gained illegally.

What a massive troll.

I can't believe you guys. I really can't. Your for-real-actual opinion is that the ABs don't push the ruck laws any more than any other top ranked team. I find that simply incredible. If the tables were turned, you wouldn't find me in such a state of total denial. I'm always ready to admit...

See what's happened? A perfectly reasonable discussion is turning into a slang fest. Dam0 - why does every coach/commnetator/fan highlight the ABs ruck work, esp McCaw? C'mon man, they push the ruck laws more than other teams. It is one of their many innovations. If your thesis were true...

Weird game, nothing to judge it by. One or two of the penalties could have been let go by Craig, but mostly both sides are just piling in like idiots.