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Next game is do or die. Fainga'a and Horne were two players who showed from the outset that they were up for it, and they played exactly to the script set. But our forwards didn't fire, and the ball we had was used terribly. Something has to change. I am not too stubborn to say give Barnes...

Jones!

Team only has to wait one week to redeem themselves.

Wife and I had the same discussion IS.

Not buying the 'AB players are just too much better, don't sweat it' argument sorry Damo. The issues last night were mainly from core players playing terrible rugby. Beale last night made Guildford look good in last years Bled 2 and Beale is 10 x the player Guildford is. Our front five...

The whole team looked nervous before the game today. I fear '10 years is too long' was a millstone instead of a touchstone. Deans is going to have to do something radical or I'd say he is going to find himself retired. I am with the Cooper/Barnes 10-12 camp, at least to try. I don't know...

3. Sharp 2. Ioane .

Sadly not, or I'd be wracking my brains over my plan, searching for chinks in our armour to eliminate and chinks in theirs to exploit, rather than sharing my passion with fellow rugby nuts!

Cooper has already radically boosted his play as a defender in Super Rugby. He will be fine. Competition is good and he has some. And going back to an earlier poster saying no one here supports Deans, I do. That might be because I grew up in NZ and see rugby slightly differently to many here, I don't...

Thanks for the comments Rip. I am not yet sold that lineouts were Nau's fault really, and for me his ballcarries are his edge over Moore. Do worry for his head though. Agree re Timani, but if we need a strong lock, it is him Douglas , Neville or perhaps Jones. I worry about his workrate but...

Zazing.

Can't fault the cost savings logic WJ. But who here thinks it was an actual decision rather than a fn of being rudderless?

Well, there is the small matter of a forward pass. But as I am sure many kiwis would agree, if it comes down to one decision by a ref, you didn't do enough.

A President who loses sight of the bottom line is utterly useless to us.

Assuming he continues his remarkable 2011 form I'd say Lealeiifano will push heavily for 10 next year, there won't be a need to try play Beale (or JOC (James O'Connor)) at 10. So much discussion here about our backline but for me that isn't our biggest problem and hasn't been for some time. Other than a woeful...

I find them bloody funny. Periodically they will chip in some good observations but for my 2c if folks are getting annoyed they are taking them a lot more seriously than they take themselves I'd think.

Catching up here on the furore. A legitimate view would also be that with a diff ref we'd have won by more.

I'd agree about playing McCalman at 7, but the other points I'd take issue with. Done to death and I don't propose to revisit that here other than to say for me McCabe was the least of our worries, with Cooper my biggest backline issue and a poor effort from our back row.

For me the defining game for us at the RWC was the Irish loss. I was interested to hear Gaffney's views on the game last Thursday. He basically said the Wallabies had a bad day, the Irish had a good day, and the conditions played to Irish strengths. We saw the Irish achieve much the same thing...

Absolutely agree we go about things differently. We can't be AB lite or we will almost never win. I personally think Deans tried to embrace that, to the point he is criticised for being the opposite of Eddie Jones. As an aside under Deans the Crusaders won in 2000, 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2008...