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That's not what happened. The ref thought the head contact was simultaneous to the shoulder contact which is why he originally said red. It was the TMO who suggested that it was shoulder contact first and therefore the downgrade to the yellow.

The conversation between the ref and the TMO. Coming down from the red had absolutely nothing to do with wrapping arms. If the head contact had occurred at time as shoulder charge, it would have been a red. You hear the ref talk about the lack of mitigating factors when originally discussing the...

Because the left arm doesn’t matter. The Laws only talk about the arm of the shoulder making contact.

No they don’t. Not in the Laws. Listening to the TMO and the ref last night, they seemed to be talking about when the head contact and shoulder contact happened. That seemed to be the mitigating factor in downgrading from res to yellow.

I don’t give a fuck if you disengage. I read the actual Laws and wrapping arms is only mentioned in the mitigating factors.

The Laws may have changed since the Farrell farce but making an attempt to wrap can be seen as a mitigating factor not a deciding one. A shoulder charge is a shoulder charge.

Oh sorry - I though we were talking about the arm that actually matters.

Clearly wrapped?

Nah - I think the on-field ref was gonna go red until TMO asked if he wanted to look at if the head contact was simultaneous to the shoulder

Shoulder charge - yellow card. Took a while to get there but the right result. TMO did well.

Years ago I remember listening to Leon MacDonald after coming back from Japan to play in NZ and he basically said that he was in some of the best shape he had been in for years. He said the training in Japan had been hard and he had gotten really fit but the games weren't as tough or as...

Well, for the most part, countries really are just made up things we've all just decided to agree are real.

I'm literally 'laughing my ass off' LOL

Not much has been made of the try that Hooper fluffed.

Bloody hell, leave Kellaway at wing. He just started his Test career FFS. JOC (James O'Connor) to FB.

I don’t think it just about money. I think it has a hell of a lot more to do with job satisfaction, work environment and the opportunities for development, legacy etc The next 2yrs are going to be very interesting

1. QC (Quade Cooper) 2. Kerevi 3. Too hard. The whole forward pack. I would have liked to have put Rennie at 1. LOL

Bro - why do you keep doing this? First it was Bell and now Kaitu’u. Just let them play 10-20 Tests before you get your expectations up too high.

I think your focus on his ‘bro comments’ are more a reflection of what you’re hearing. Last week he was dismissed - even on the panel - for his comments about how he thinks the Wallabies just lacked some confidence and belief. The female panelist, who also struggled to get some of her sentences...

People have been trashing SBW on Stan but I think he’s awesome. There aren’t too many people who you can have in studio who knows and understands these games and these players and these moments like he does.