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Wallabies 2025

dru

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David Wilson (68)
Sully said:
I love the idea of the super rugby coaches being involved with the Wallabies
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Hah. Yes you are not on your own, feel I'm in the minority.

Sully said:
but I also think we need someone else in charge to run things when they are busy.
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So The Super coach simply clocks off and hands over to a second? (No of course that's not what you mean.) Someone else steps in to the WB role as a temp? And then the Super coach picks up from whatever they have done in the few weeks heading into the tests?



It doesn't seem ideal for the WBs to me.
 
Sully

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Tim Horan (67)
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No, I think we need a head coach or a DoR and the Super Rugby coaches come in after thier teams finish Super Rugby.
 
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
fatprop said:
Excuse my ignorance but just what does a Super Rugby coach (or assistant coach) do between June and November?

For 40-50 hours a week

And why couldn't they be Wobs assistant coaches
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The idea of a bunch of guys used to being head coaches could seamlessly become assistants and fall in line with the head coach is unrealistic. Leon MacDonald's fallout with the AB's is a prime example

They are 2 separate jobs
 
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Unless they are coming in as a form of development for them or the Wallabies coach to pick their brains on a particular player I don't really like it.

They could all have genuinely great intentions but it can be too many people in a room when we need the players to fall into line.
 
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Rod McCall (65)
I think there's already a pretty good provision for super coaches getting involved with the national setup - the Australia A program being staffed entirely by assistants from the various super sides.

Beyond that there should still be plenty of off season work for the head coaches to be doing with their own teams. If there isn't that's something we need to fix, not ignore. Pulling them out to work on national programs for half the year is just going to further devalue super rugby.
 
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Peter Johnson (47)
fatprop said:
Excuse my ignorance but just what does a Super Rugby coach (or assistant coach) do between June and November?

For 40-50 hours a week

And why couldn't they be Wobs assistant coaches
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Well they are probably in the union aswell and have minimum work protections and likely favourable contracts, so I would assume there would be significant TOIL elements meaning access to the bulk of annual leave plus accrued leave to be taken in the 'off season'. With the travel and so forth I imagine they are aquiring significant additional leave and therefore either a) take large quantities of leave, b) work significantly reduced weekly hours or a combination of a & b.
 
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George Gregan (70)
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I honestly don't have an opinion other than it seems like a waste of our best recourses
 
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Ron Walden (29)
Tomthumb said:
The idea of a bunch of guys used to being head coaches could seamlessly become assistants and fall in line with the head coach is unrealistic. Leon MacDonald's fallout with the AB's is a prime example

They are 2 separate jobs
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Think this comes down to who the people are, if they get along and have similar coaching philosophies, or just open to new ideas - I don't see why someone can't be a head coach domestically and assistant at the Wallabies. It won't happen, but I reckon a Les Kiss could quiet easily deputise for Schmidt right now.

After all, the pathway to being a domestic head coach almost always starts with being an assistant somewhere.
 
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Steve Williams (59)
I don’t think so Fatprop.

Certainly we want to see lots of collaboration between the two levels with feedback going both ways.

But I want to see the Super Rugby Coaches spending June - November developing their wider squad and assisting in the development of the emerging talent.

I always felt like the push to have Super Rugby coaches as assistance was as much about the lack of money to fund full time dedicated assistants at Wallabies level who would spend the Super Rugby season travelling out to the 4 teams and helping development rather than the other way around.
 
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Michael Lynagh (62)
I also think the coaching development pathway is kind of done by the time you get a Super HC role. It's on you now to win to go further if you want a International job which for some might not even be the desire.

The Super Rugby HCs hold a lot of responsibility to develop the next wave through their assistants and and downwards which most of the time have come through underage/Club systems doing their courses and what not. If we need the Wobs coach to improve our Franchise HCs we are deep shit.
 
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
JRugby2 said:
Think this comes down to who the people are, if they get along and have similar coaching philosophies, or just open to new ideas - I don't see why someone can't be a head coach domestically and assistant at the Wallabies. It won't happen, but I reckon a Les Kiss could quiet easily deputise for Schmidt right now.

After all, the pathway to being a domestic head coach almost always starts with being an assistant somewhere.
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This is one of those ideas that theoretically sounds great but I feel would be a nightmare in practice. They all have egos that would need to stroked, the players from the different teams would need to not favor advise from their HC over another, what if 2 or 3 of the coaches specialized in the same area, what if the current HC didn't want them as assistants, it would get messy picking a successor

In my opinion it would create far more issues than it solves
 
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Paul McLean (56)
I agree the Wallabies coach shouldn't need to be developing our Super Rugby coaches in the literal sense.

But I do feel there is still an element of learning and development that is very beneficial in the jump from Super Rugby head coach to senior international head coach.

For example the knowledge gap between a Jake White or Steve Hansen and Larkham/McKellar/Kiss would be quite large when it comes to coaching a high-performance representative team.

Having a 'pathway' for the Super Rugby coaches to come into that international environment, learn and share core ideas about communal coaching philosophies is very important, in my opinion.
 
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Darby Loudon (17)
Ronan OGara played down any wallaby links today as his side has lost 5 on the trot.
I'd say it's Les Kiss for sure now.
 
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Ron Walden (29)
Homer said:
Ronan OGara played down any wallaby links today as his side has lost 5 on the trot.
I'd say it's Les Kiss for sure now.
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This is pretty meaningless. Wouldn't be a long google to find lots of examples of players/ coaches saying to the media there's nothing in [their story], only for it to be revealed a short time later there was in fact, a lot in it.

One really good example comes to mind

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