Refereeing decisions

[Strewthcobber]

Does a ref even need an excuse it this situation? If he called it a knock on absolutely no one would question it.

Anyone who read JRugby2 post would question it (and despite my posts, I actually agree with him)!

The consensus on the ref forum was that it should be play on under the laws. I'd imagine there has been discussion a the top level around this and they probably have to follow the laws as well.

 

[Wilson]

What's the specific text of the law that allows a try to be scored against the goal posts? That's the other thing I could see impacting the way this is interpreted, but I can't actually find the provision for it in the laws...

 

[Braveheart81]

What's the specific text of the law that allows a try to be scored against the goal posts? That's the other thing I could see impacting the way this is interpreted, but I can't actually find the provision for it in the laws...

There is none. They removed it in 2020.

 

[Wilson]

There is none. They removed it in 2020.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. That change probably does make it play on in this hypothetical.

 

[Sully]

So what the regs are saying is that a player can throw the ball at the posts and as long as he hits it's not a knock on and it's open slather?

 

[Braveheart81]

So what the regs are saying is that a player can throw the ball at the posts and as long as he hits it's not a knock on and it's open slather?

Intentionally throwing or passing the ball forward is a penalty so you can't do that (law 11.7).

 

[JRugby2]

Anyone who read JRugby2 post would question it (and despite my posts, I actually agree with him)!

The consensus on the ref forum was that it should be play on under the laws. I'd imagine there has been discussion a the top level around this and they probably have to follow the laws as well.

This is the type of situation where if this happened in a televised professional game, and the referee got it right (try awarded) - the law would be clarified within 6 months.

At the amateur level - I rather enjoy having air in my tyres when I leave grounds, so I'm calling a knock on.

 

[Braveheart81]

This is the type of situation where if this happened in a televised professional game

It's such an unlikely hypothetical situation (which I also enjoy analyzing).

How is it likely to happen? A player pick and driving close to the posts somehow picks up the ball, spills it forward into the post, manages to regather it without another hand touching the ball and falls over the try line.

Almost impossible to happen from a pass because how are you ever going to receive a pass that close to the post?

 

[JRugby2]

It's such an unlikely hypothetical situation (which I also enjoy analyzing).

How is it likely to happen? A player pick and driving close to the posts somehow picks up the ball, spills it forward into the post, manages to regather it without another hand touching the ball and falls over the try line.

Almost impossible to happen from a pass because how are you ever going to receive a pass that close to the post?

9 to ball runner passing across the face of an upright. Ball runner angling body towards the 9 to received the pass and it bounces of their arm/ chest/ whatever and they regather.

Not likely but that's how I'd see it happening.

 

[Strewthcobber]

71:29 in Crusaders v Hurricanes for an example of the new protect the halfback law in action

 

[Dan54]

71:29 in Crusaders v Hurricanes for an example of the new protect the halfback law in action

Also not sure what time , but in the Tahs/Clan match, we got an example of the new pillars rule around ruck for team in possession, Clan prop penalised for being in pillar position and stopping Tahs player from getting at halfback. I like this change, not the other one as I think you should be able to get at halfbacks!

 

[John S]

Also not sure what time , but in the Tahs/Clan match, we got an example of the new pillars rule around ruck for team in possession, Clan prop penalised for being in pillar position and stopping Tahs player from getting at halfback. I like this change, not the other one as I think you should be able to get at halfbacks!

I like the idea of being able to get at a half back when they have the ball, not when they're in a vulnerable position getting the ball.

 

[JRugby2]

Some of the best work by a referee in their 6N debut.

England score a try in the open stages of the game. Just before the subsequent kick off the TMO delays the game to show the referee video evidence of the ball never seeming to touch the ground.

The referee dismisses this and the try stands. England end up winning by 1 point (though Scotland missed every of 3 conversion attempts, including a very gettable kick from the 15m line...)

Here's the angle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/1ivq6ic

 

[Rhino_rugby]

Some of the best work by a referee in their 6N debut.

England score a try in the open stages of the game. Just before the subsequent kick off the TMO delays the game to show the referee video evidence of the ball never seeming to touch the ground.

The referee dismisses this and the try stands. England end up winning by 1 point (though Scotland missed every of 3 conversion attempts, including a very gettable kick from the 15m line...)

Here's the angle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/1ivq6ic

Impressive composure from the referee on their 6N debut

 

[JRugby2]

Impressive composure from the referee on their 6N debut

Standing by a incorrect guess despite having a clear avenue to make the right decision, in front of an audience of millions.

Not sure composure is the word I'd use here

 

[Strewthcobber]

Standing by a incorrect guess despite having a clear avenue to make the right decision, in front of an audience of millions.

Not sure composure is the word I'd use here

I don't know how you can say that's an incorrect decision, given the players bodies obscure the critical view here.

The ref is in perfect position and is 1 metre away from the action. He has a far better view than what we get to see from this TV angle.

You are also arguing with a bot!

 

[JRugby2]

I don't know how you can say that's an incorrect decision, given the players bodies obscure the critical view here.

The ref is in perfect position and is 1 metre away from the action. He has a far better view than what we get to see from this TV angle.

You are also arguing with a bot!

I doubt this. Plus, you can see the ball in this clip, held up with several hands underneath it, parallel to the ground and not moving from it's relative position - this is about as clear as it gets.

FWIW - the try scorer practically admits he hasn't scored the try in a post match interview.

The arrogance to 1) guess in the first place (in the biggest appointment of your career) and 2) double down when shown clear evidence that your guess was wrong is honestly world class noncercy. Play we never have him appointed to a wallabies game.

 

[JRugby2]

You are also arguing with a bot!

I'm disapointed in myself here

 

[cyclopath]

I'm disapointed in myself here

It's better than you satisfying yourself here...

 

[JRugby2]

Here's another one of his gems - Duane last try...

47 万次播放 · 854 个心情 | Respect the Kicker! Ball grounded on the 5 metre line. Why does the Referee move the kick 2 yards to the side? Maro Itoje behaviour unbecoming of an England captain. | Oliver McDonald

Respect the Kicker! Ball grounded on the 5 metre line. Why does the Referee move the kick 2 yards to the side? Maro Itoje behaviour unbecoming of an England captain..

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