the ‘injuries/absences’ list in opens also becomes the ‘who doesn’t want to play’ list when playing schools with few teams.
CAS Rugby 2022
- Thread starter rod skellet
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Answered above. It’s sounds like I’m whinging but I want to support it. I understand the challenges for the schools of getting as many teams games as possible…..Field availability especially with all the rain, trying to match competitive teams, busing boarders to all parts of Sydney…..just hope best efforts are going to be made next year without GPS.
They should speak to joeys as they are trying to organise games for a very large number of teams. Nothing wrong with trying to learn from another school for the good of the sport. Someone told me a while back the cost of busing joeys boys all around Sydney every Sat and organising food, drinks etc. Can’t remember the number but I remember it was shockingly huge.
DaSchmooze
Dave Cowper (27)
There'd be a way around it for CAS/ISA if they were willing to be flexible. I could see a situation where in Term 2, weeks 1-3 devoted to inter association games, at week 4 GPS trots off for their season with there being another 3 inter CAS/ISA games (taking you up to week 6) with then both ISA and CAS seasons starting in week 7. I could see a scenario where two of the smaller programs in ISA (say Gregs and Kinross) could combine to take on Knox so that there would be close to the same numbers of teams playing. Kinross plays odd teams and Gregs even teams etc.
Not as clear cut as what we've had but a potential work around.
Not as clear cut as what we've had but a potential work around.
Flavio
Ward Prentice (10)
Size of the school will also effect the number of teams. Based on the number of years and students Knox has nearly twice the pool of kids to draw from than Alos, Cranbrook and Barker (I know its a rough calculation)
Alos 1277 3-12
Brkr 1794 K-12
Crbk 1608 K-12
Knx 3123 K-12
Trnty 2196 K-12
Wvly 1491 5-12
Alos 1277 3-12
Brkr 1794 K-12
Crbk 1608 K-12
Knx 3123 K-12
Trnty 2196 K-12
Wvly 1491 5-12
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Billy Sheehan (19)
Flav and gents, here are the actual team numbers by school.
Knox 26
Waves 23
Barker 19
Cranbrook 17
Trinity 13
Aloys 9
So there is a very wide spread, which logically also explains the performance strength between the schools.
Interested to see the same analysis for the ISA schools, over to the ISA guys.
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Fred Wood (13)
These numbers are deceiving. It really should be about senior school numbers for rugby. The Knox numbers include the large Knox Prep which is 750 kids plus Wahroonga prep which is a co-ed k-6 school under the Knox umbrella which has 260 and 2100 in the senior school
DaSchmooze
Dave Cowper (27)
I'll give it a crack but I suspect the ISA website wont report on inter association games making accuracy (particularly with large programs) a problem.
DaSchmooze
Dave Cowper (27)
St. Augustines 23 (1st to 3rds)
Oakhill 22 (1st to 4ths)
St. Pats 16 (1st to 4ths)
St. Stanislaus 15 (1st to 4ths)
Kinross 14 (1st to 3rds)
St. Pius 13 (1st to 3rds)
St. Gregs 9 (1st to 3rds)
Again I stress - these numbers probably fluctuate a bit on a week by week basis and are not super accurate.
Oakhill 22 (1st to 4ths)
St. Pats 16 (1st to 4ths)
St. Stanislaus 15 (1st to 4ths)
Kinross 14 (1st to 3rds)
St. Pius 13 (1st to 3rds)
St. Gregs 9 (1st to 3rds)
Again I stress - these numbers probably fluctuate a bit on a week by week basis and are not super accurate.
JackJill
Ted Fahey (11)
You are pretty accurate there DS. Augs and Oaks typically have the largest numbers throughout each year in ISA.
Elfster
Alex Ross (28)
Apparently there were only 15 rugby matches between Knox and Barker last weekend. Presumably injuries must have reduced the total teams. I believe Knox won 13 of the 15 games.
FoleyBealeFolau
Ward Prentice (10)
Cranbrook at a time were going down to 7ths and too struggling to find games and now replicate this with loaded bench too in both 5ths and 6ths.
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Fred Wood (13)
RL, Cranbrook appear to the on the up? I only saw them once this year but they had a few players in the rep program and impressed on the scoreboard in some of their games. Can you give any insight? I know they always rise for waves but how is the program in general? What’s your thoughts on reverting to 2 rounds from a cranbrook point of view?
FoleyBealeFolau
Ward Prentice (10)
If im honest I think everyone in the Cranbrook program would be all for a 2 round CAS comp after many years of Cranbrook 1sts teams having wonderful starts in the first half of games I can remember them getting to a two try lead against Waverley in 2019 as well as leading for a fair chunk of the first half against Waverley last year. Even this year the boys in white were leading against Knox at half time sadly, ending up losing all of these games. So if they were to reinstitute the 2 round CAS comp i could see Cranbrook being quite successful next year with returning CAS representatives Noah Jackson (8) Tom Girle (5) Lance Tovio (12/13) Jaxson Allen (11) Kaleb Ah-Colt (3) Joe Rouse (1 Shadow Squad) and a-lot of boys from the Seconds premiership team making a push to play 1sts this year.
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Billy Sheehan (19)
Hi RL,
I am a big fan of Cranbrook rugby, see lots of mates in our local derby, and YES Cranbrook always lift for the local derby.
I don't recall brook ever leading Waves last year, it was close at half time, then in 10 minutes it was pretty much over.
I was also under the impression that the half time score this year v Knox was 24 all, so think you are being a bit too enthusiastic in your recollections.
BUT next year Cranbrook are looking very solid for the reasons you mentioned.
The problem with returning to a home & Away system is that Cranbrook might be very competitive next year in the 1s but what after that, such a change has a long term implication and to be fair the Age teams generally get hammered by the stronger 3 CAS Rugby schools, and Cranbrook wins the 1sts comp about once every 20 years.
In fact it's not Cranbrook that concerns Knox, Barker and Waves so much it's Trinity and Aloys, with such few teams, teams that don't match up eg Bs v Cs etc, which often includes Cranbrook, so more than half the games are a complete mismatch all day.
Many of us can only see this getting worse, given the weakening number of players every year.
Many would prefer a larger and more constantly even comp for all schools which may result in a 2 tier division comp with a promotion and relegation system. If a CAS team/s was in a different division then I am sure provision could be made to play either in the holidays, or a suitable time, so that the CAS comp would still be in play.
All the best!
FoleyBealeFolau
Ward Prentice (10)
Yeah I completely agree I also did make a a mistake with the Waverley game from last year but I am fairly sure Cranbrook we’re up 19-17 at half time against Knox this year I may be wrong though. On the topic of the younger years this talk of Alloys not matching grade teams is quite disheartening and for as long as I can remember Alloys if they do allow there A teams to play other schools A teams. They frequently have there B teams Playing other schools C teams meaning the that the other schools B team will have to have a game found for them and even in some cases having a bye on the weekend which does absolutely nothing for rugby growth. However I don’t think the ranking system would work logistically how would you go about ranking the 6 CAs schools?
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FoleyBealeFolau
Ward Prentice (10)
Just heard old Barker boy Billy Pollard is set to debut for the wallabies well done him.
rod skellet
Desmond Connor (43)
Yes its a meteoric rise considering he was Capt of Barker 1st XV in 2019. And playing in the front row. He must be close to being the youngest hooker for the Wallabies considering he is still just 20 years old.
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Billy Sheehan (19)
Clearly you would have to start for the 1st year by assessing the performance of each schools results over the last few years, and probably the current years 16s and Opens . After year 1 you would promote/relegate annually again based on performance.