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Who Should Run The Wallabies Attack in 2013?

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
It's a massive cruelty that Lilo was injured last year, as now he won't be considered due to experience despite whetever form he'll display this year........ and he's a better 10 than Barnes, Beale, and JOC (James O'Connor).........

If he plays as good as last year he should be on the bench at least with the option of bringing him into the starting team for the later tests (having said all of that Lilo could be a potential Wallaby 12 with his strong ball running and defence)....... Meanwhile.......

If Cooper gets back to his best then he should be first one considered, otherwise JOC (James O'Connor) might be the best safe option?

I completely agree with Bob Dwyer and yourself that Beale is better suited to 15, and Barnes is a terrible attacking flyhalf......... but Barnes wouldn't be in the 22 with all players available.........
 
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Trevor Allan (34)
Slim, I think O'Connor, Cooper and Lealiifano are the three attacking options and Barnes is the conservative option.

O'Connor really played well on the 2011 EOYT - was only two matches but having re-watched the games I was impressed - as I was having re-watched Lilo's matches at #10 last year.

I think it comes down to game plan - if you want to attack pick one of the three attacking options. If you want to play conservatively, play Barnes.

Playing a conservative game plan with an attacking #10 would be like playing your props on the side of the scrum they don't usually play...
 
Scotty

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David Codey (61)
Live the last sentence, Scott. How apt.

For mine the fly half has to have the ability to do both - attack when needed and play a field position game at other times.

Forwards achieving quick ball, behind in the game, weak opposition backline defence - all situations where attack is called for. (We saw in the welsh series that the much lauded Barnes and his backline could not effectively leverage our forward's dominance - therefore each game ended close on the scoreboard.)

Forwards getting pushed around, wanting to close a game out, opposition backline not giving an inch - all situations where a more conservative game from the 10 is required. (Cooper often struggles in these situations and needs more balance to his game.)

The jury is still out on Lilo and JOC (James O'Connor) as international 10s, hence I haven't mentioned them above. However I still don't see JOC (James O'Connor) as a true 10. He is still a run first player - that is not a thing you want to say about your 10. Happy to see him at 13 where he can beat opposition one on one and set up his wings.
 
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Peter Johnson (47)
RE: Cooper and O'Connor at 10 and 12.

Many have been calling for it for a few years now. It may not be a success in practise, but I think it is almost criminal that it has not been tried yet.

Having the threat of O'Connor only a short pass away would free up the defence and focus on Cooper, which is when he becomes really dangerous.

It also means we have more kicking options.
 
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David Codey (61)
The 10 12 channel would be more congested than the Pacific Hwy on Boxing day.
McCabe and Carter supporters would suggest that, as they both ran over the top of young James last year, they should be considered before him.
Scoring 4 tries a game would be great, but it's no good if you are letting in 5 or 6.
 
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Indeed, while potentially exciting in attack it would be incredibly weak in defence.........

It's also been a while since JOC (James O'Connor) has played any quality rugby at 12, so I think he needs to put in some time there for the Rebels before he's considered there for the Wallabies, particularly as his few performances at 12 last year weren't that great and we have good alternatives in Tapuai, McCabe or Lilo.........
 
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Cooper needs to get back to form to be considered...
Lilo would have been a strong candidate based on his form in the Super Rugby last year, but he is a unknown quantity at test level and isn't going to have the opportunity to prove himself..
Beale, Barnes and JOC (James O'Connor)(in that order) are all candidates behind Cooper but it largely depends on what position these players are played at during the Super Rugby season...

So the answer... It all depends on 2013 Super Rugby seasons..
 
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Ron Walden (29)
Surely we need 1 Flyhalf not a conservative/attacking option. Lynagh could do both...Larkham could do both..Carter does both. Conservative option=not good enough.
 
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Tim Horan (67)
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Cooper essentially played 2012 on 1 leg and lealiifano is coming back from an equally devastating leg injury. We'll have to wait and see if they have both recovered.

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Peter Sullivan (51)
Dave Beat said:
Cooper 10 / Taps 12
I think Taps is our only true 12 and will develop with marurity, once picked he always had a decent rating on GAGR MOM.
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I think Taps is our best option too, but I dont think he is a certainty, I am yet to be blown away by his skill at 12 and say he is awesome at it. I hope this year he can really become known as a world class 12
 
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Chilla Wilson (44)
I like to watch said:
The 10 12 channel would be more congested than the Pacific Hwy on Boxing day.
McCabe and Carter supporters would suggest that, as they both ran over the top of young James last year, they should be considered before him.
Scoring 4 tries a game would be great, but it's no good if you are letting in 5 or 6.
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Didnt his happen when JOC (James O'Connor) was defending outside of Cipriani and trying to cover him as well? I think Cooper is the obvious choice and should get first crack.
 
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David Codey (61)
Yeah he definitely was out of position with McCabe and got there late IIRC, but it was a really poor miss on Carter,Quade esque almost.
 
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Chilla Wilson (44)
Wallabies don't attack, so I did give a fuck until Deans is gone or they start to attack more. :rolleyes:
 
Scotty

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David Codey (61)
Slim 293 said:
Indeed, while potentially exciting in attack it would be incredibly weak in defence...

It's also been a while since JOC (James O'Connor) has played any quality rugby at 12, so I think he needs to put in some time there for the Rebels before he's considered there for the Wallabies, particularly as his few performances at 12 last year weren't that great and we have good alternatives in Tapuai, McCabe or Lilo...
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I would have JOC (James O'Connor) at 13 instead with a bigger body at 12 (McCabe, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)).
 
Scotty

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David Codey (61)
What really hurts our backline (apart from poor coaching and no discernible plans), is that most players dont play in that position for their super side. This is something that NZ doesnt really have to deal with, but we on the other hand have all these players who get shifted around for club and country:

Barnes
Beale
Tapuai
JOC (James O'Connor)
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)

Very hard to establish consistency in performance.
 
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