who is confirmed to leave?

[Joe Blow]

Burgess offers a bustling 2nd 8 type of game which is very handy to have on the bench. His defense is also top notch for closing out games.
He will be the back up scrummie again this year.

 

[Cutter]

It was less than six months ago many on here were suggesting Burgess should be starting for the Wallabies in front of Genia. His energy, passion and commitment are hugely important to the teams he plays in. Make no mistake, he's a loss to Australian rugby and, notwithstanding Phipps fine efforts thus far, Burgess is well ahead of him.

 

[Chronicle]

It was less than six months ago many on here were suggesting Burgess should be starting for the Wallabies in front of Genia. His energy, passion and commitment are hugely important to the teams he plays in. Make no mistake, he's a loss to Australian rugby and, notwithstanding Phipps fine efforts thus far, Burgess is well ahead of him.

Would say that after the opening games of this years Super tournament that Burgess was the form halfback of the Australian teams Genia included but it is a long season given RWC and whilst Genia and the Reds are in rich form now Burgess is surely the no 2 and will be missed by the Waratahs next year.

 

[TOCC]

It was less than six months ago NSW FANS on here were suggesting Burgess should be starting for the Wallabies in front of Genia. His energy, passion and commitment are hugely important to the teams he plays in. Make no mistake, he's a loss to Australian rugby and, notwithstanding Phipps fine efforts thus far, Burgess is well ahead of him.

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No but seriously, Genia was out of form this time last year and Phipps wasn't playing Super Rugby, im not advocating that Burgess should leave, but considering we are talking about the long term implications(ie 2012 onwards) then i think its fair to assess Phipps as a potential Wallaby in coming years.

 

[DPK]

Just to clear things up (probably for myself, only) - Is everyone hear talking about Patrick Phibbs, or Nick Phipps?

 

[TOCC]

Just to clear things up (probably for myself, only) - Is everyone hear talking about Patrick Phibbs, or Nick Phipps?

lol, well il be dammed, my bad...im talking about Nick Phipps

 

[Lee Grant]

Sosene Anesi is off to the NTT Communications Shining Arcs team in Japan replacing Mark Gerrard.

Nobody cares? As you were then. On a more serious note: it should leave a space at the Tahs for a young Aussie lad.

 

[REDinCPT]

Don't think it's fair to criticize his pass anymore. Last few games his pass has been fine. It's his decision making and those stupid kicks that are bad.

he's a halfback. if it's fair to criticise anything, it's his pass... WHICH IS SHIT. there has been slight improvement but he still gets it wrong too often.

 

[TOCC]

When there are blokes like Josh Grant and Greg Jeloudev biding there time, i dont think there is a need to sign foreign marquee players for these positions.

I guess NSW need to start cutting there stocks, they have re-signed most of the backline(plus AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)) so they need to make room to promote some of younger blokes up as well. The great Wayne Bennet said he aimed for a 25% turnover rate each season in his squad to maintain competitiveness and introduce fresh personalities.

 

[qwerty51]

he's a halfback. if it's fair to criticise anything, it's his pass... WHICH IS SHIT. there has been slight improvement but he still gets it wrong too often.

How is his passing shit? It's quite adequate actually. Go watch the Force game again.

 

[Skippy]

Maybe I'm missing something but i don't understand why one minute everyone at the ARU bemoans the fact we have a small player pool but then on the other hand allow proven international standard players to leave and wants to bring in a salary cap that will force more out?
Surely the focus off the ARU should be on buiding a strong player pool, getting to the top and staying at the top of world rugby, and growing/developing the game in Australia on the back of the success of the Wallabies on the world stage. Surely by 'investing' in the players and the wallaby product and getting to the top and staying there, any 'substantial investment' in player salaries will be/can be off set and covered by the increased revenue generated from being successful and staying that way.
Why does the ARU, who are on the cusp of a golden generation of players intent on now destroying what could be a wonderful 5-10 years for the Wallabies by driving them overseas? Yes, some will still go (those at end of careers etc) but I don't understand the business logic of the powers that be within the ARU. Speculate to accumulate they say... we should be looking to invest now and enjoy seeing once in a generation players like JOC (James O'Connor), Cooper, Genia, Beale etc stride around the world over the next 5-10 years and fill the ARU trophy cabinet. Instead I worry the ARU will always be looking at the balance sheet and we will have good years and bad years and see players rotate in and out as they come into the side, develop into world class players and then leave to get what they deserve/and can earn overseas.... whilst as a fan we then have to sit through the lean times again as the cycle continues and repeats. The focus of the ARU should be long term and that includes investing in players long term and building the funds off the back of success.

 

[#1 Tah]

When there are blokes like Josh Grant and Greg Jeloudev biding there time, i dont think there is a need to sign foreign marquee players for these positions.

John Grant?

 

[Gagger]

It's Toulouse.

He'll 28 (wont see another RWC) and playing in an awesome team with a shot at the Heiny Cup.

He'd be mad not to

 

[Gnostic]

Maybe I'm missing something but i don't understand why one minute everyone at the ARU bemoans the fact we have a small player pool but then on the other hand allow proven international standard players to leave and wants to bring in a salary cap that will force more out?
Surely the focus off the ARU should be on buiding a strong player pool, getting to the top and staying at the top of world rugby, and growing/developing the game in Australia on the back of the success of the Wallabies on the world stage. Surely by 'investing' in the players and the wallaby product and getting to the top and staying there, any 'substantial investment' in player salaries will be/can be off set and covered by the increased revenue generated from being successful and staying that way.
Why does the ARU, who are on the cusp of a golden generation of players intent on now destroying what could be a wonderful 5-10 years for the Wallabies by driving them overseas? Yes, some will still go (those at end of careers etc) but I don't understand the business logic of the powers that be within the ARU. Speculate to accumulate they say... we should be looking to invest now and enjoy seeing once in a generation players like JOC (James O'Connor), Cooper, Genia, Beale etc stride around the world over the next 5-10 years and fill the ARU trophy cabinet. Instead I worry the ARU will always be looking at the balance sheet and we will have good years and bad years and see players rotate in and out as they come into the side, develop into world class players and then leave to get what they deserve/and can earn overseas.... whilst as a fan we then have to sit through the lean times again as the cycle continues and repeats. The focus of the ARU should be long term and that includes investing in players long term and building the funds off the back of success.

Because simply players like Burgess will no longer make the Wallabies in coming years as the inherrent weaknesses in his game will see him overtaken by players like Phipps. That being the case he will no longer get the Wallabies payments and no matter how much the Tahs would like to keep him he will go off shore for the cash and also the playing experience in a different country. There is little the flat broke ARU can do about it.

 

[darkhorse]

Phipps is playing well but he's no where near Burgess. Deans isn't going to risk someone who is in their first year of Super Rugby in the WC when you've got Burgess who is playing decent rugby and has been around the Wallabies for the past 3 years.

He seemed confident enough to take him on the end of year tour

 

[James Buchanan]

EoYT has been about squad development for the last few years.

 

[Lee Grant]

Burgess will do well for Toulouse. I reckon that they looked for a guy just like Kelleher, and Burgo is almost exactly like him. Kelleher never ever had a pass that had lipstick or make up on it and nor did he have a great box kick either, but he was a warrior like Burgess and for a couple of years was the outstanding player in the Top14 IMO.

I wish the Tahs could keep Burgess, but life moves on.