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Trevor Allan (34)
Try to remember that GAGR is probably not a representative study of the rugby supporting population.
Where to for Super Rugby?
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Try to remember that GAGR is probably not a representative study of the rugby supporting population.
Well there's 9 people on the ARU Board isn't there? Plus Rob Clarke. We know Geoff Stooke voted against don't we? There's your 90%.
He's really got to get out more. Meet some new people.
todd4
Dave Cowper (27)
And I hope these guys aren't getting golden handshakes.
Omar Comin'
Chilla Wilson (44)
Of course, but it is at least somewhat representative of tragic fans who have thought about all these things in depth and read arguments from all sides.
I think more casual fans would be more likely to be in favour of going to 4 teams and sticking in Super Rugby because they'd have never even considered whether Super Rugby is the right vehicle for professional rugby in Australia or not. They'd just see that our teams aren't competitive at the moment and that on the face of it 4 teams will concentrate talent and finances. They'd also be used to the status quo where Australian based teams are almost entirely filled with Australian players (hence the common complaint that we don't have the depth for 5 teams, which I think is irrelevant) and the purpose of Super Rugby is predominantly about developing Wallabies. They likely won't have seen or engaged with the arguments against these positions. The people voting in that poll have.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Only in that we evidently give a toss about the game and don't see it as an opportunity to network?
Twoilms
Trevor Allan (34)
I don't really understand your point.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
I can say that a lot of casual rugby fans or people involved in other sports have said to me: bloody hell what a tragedy if the Force were to go. Most of them can't believe it's even being considered.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
that is the respect in which we do not represent the typical rugby supporter:
We care about the game for its own sake;
We don't follow it for there networking opportunities
Twoilms
Trevor Allan (34)
That's a dim view of the average rugby supporter.
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
Golden??
Over the recent 6 months I'm not sure what Bill deserves, but who knows what rabbit he may pull out of his hat.
At present ARU appears to be in a ripe old mess chasing its tail, and contingent expenses seem to be mounting into reality.
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Bill deserves what his contract says he deserves.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Yep but to be fair fellas, I spend a hell of a lot of time at rugby etc, and of all the people I know at the club I involved in, players, coaches and supporters etc, I the only one who comes into this site, so I hate to tell you but we not probably the average rugby supporter in Aus!!!
Twoilms
Trevor Allan (34)
When i said we are not representative of the entire rugby supporting body i meant statistically, not qualitatively.
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Dick Tooth (41)
True is an absolute sense. My point was FFA started with a one million dollar media deal and averaged 22 K on Fox when they started and the NSL before them drew average crowds of 3.5 K.
At the same time we where screaming along.
In the 12 years of the A-League, they have grown to have far more games than we do, average higher TV ratings, average bigger crowds, more memberships, develop an FFA Cup akin to our NRC, and Socceroos pre the A-League averaged about 7K crowd per match and struggled to get broadcast. Further they have grown their player base hugely.
Rugby under ARU cough cough cough management has all metrics heading south. Today we look like averaging less than 50K for Super Rugby on Fox and crowds under 12 maybe 11 k.
I suggest the sporting market is just that and our management team has been totally out performed in the board room and I use FFA as an example. I could use Netball in a couple of years.
Finally FFA fans and stakeholders are holding FFA to a far higher standard than we do the ARU and want massive improvement today nay they are demanding massive improvement.
At some point someone has to take responsibility for the position we find ourselves in. Please don't say its the game again its the job of the ARU board to sell the game and explain the game.
A very simple example, our ratings for all overseas matches was well below Australian based matches. Matches in poor time zones hardly rated. These are facts. Yet in the new agreement we reduced Australian games and increased poor time zone overseas matches. WE could have also looked at the A-League when they played there matches against Asian teams the ratings were well down on local matches.
Yet with all this evidence before them, we agree to the current format. Its fallen apart. This is not the game not being good enough, this is poor [way to light a word] cough cough cough management.
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Blame everybody you like, mate. But have you actually talked to some of your friends and neighbours and asked them whether they like rugby? And if you say they all do, fair enough.
On the other hand, if you live in the real world, and talk to real people, you will discover that the game is indeed the problem.
Soccer is simple to watch, and understand. Ditto Netball. Ditto all the games that are popular in Australia. That is a fact. F.A.C.T.
Do you accept this?
On the other hand, if you live in the real world, and talk to real people, you will discover that the game is indeed the problem.
Soccer is simple to watch, and understand. Ditto Netball. Ditto all the games that are popular in Australia. That is a fact. F.A.C.T.
Do you accept this?
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Its part of the problem
Twoilms
Trevor Allan (34)
True, i hate the GPS centric bullshit as much as the next non-GPS man. More than him, actually, having to be surrounded by the jerks for most of my life whilst not actually being one.
The future of successful Australia rugby lies in free access. Might take a while to get there though.
Omar Comin'
Chilla Wilson (44)
Cricket is the national sport and it's not so simple.
You talk as if you need a degree to understand rugby. While understanding some of the nuances of the game takes time, the fundamental game is not that complicated. Sure, not quite as simple as rugby league or soccer but it really doesn't take a genius.
There have been enough examples in recent history to show that rugby can be very popular in Australia. There are many examples of big crowds and TV ratings. If the game itself is the problem then this simply wouldn't be true.
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Bill McLean (32)
Clyne's offer of a vague update to avoid an EGM has been rejected.
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